Bubu

[jmb]

No fantasy. I was asking a question. Granted I should have seperated and structured my response better. That first sentance is in response to the quoted statement and the rest more in response to your general pot was why he was suspended premise. While it is a plausible theory it is not the student code violation he was found guilty of so am not sure why you brought it up and should have stuck with your original argument.

Not sure why you bother to come on here and be so cryptic and expect everyone to have the same conclusions you do without the information. You said you changed your mind when you heard the "full story". So why not divulge or just sit back and wait until we eventually come to the same conclusion when the info comes out if what you say is true. Telling us you know something but only hinting at what it is and mocking us for not having your views without that knowledge is pretty juvenile imo.

Excellent your opinion...your opinion sans the full information that seems fundamentally necessary to render a credible position. Your opinion.

You come and fling poo and act sad when someone has a fundamental belief divergent than yours. I am incredibly sorry that your feelers are hurt.

If one looks at the burden of the student disciplinary process there isn't much that bubu has going for him. In spite of the partial fact pattern(as released at this point) you can't find reason to afford latitude to those(Leath et al) that in fact have access to information you don't have. While your leap to conclusion has not sprained your ankle it certainly is reflective of your child-like zeal to render unqualified opinions. More insidious than your blatant disregard for facts, you are making rather broad charges against Leath and Pollard questioning their competency, intent, and fidelity to duty. You are prosecuting two accomplished administrators in the very manner Bubu endured in criminal proceedings.

Furthermore; I will stipulate that I don't have all of the information but I do believe there is more to it than the general public has access to(me included). I also believe I mentioned that I saw Bubu coaching at the Hoiberg camp and found that to be a disconnect from my position and need to wait for more information(In fact I think it was in this thread, no I am not going to look for it).

Here is what I am 100% certain of:
1-something happened that lead to an outcome where bubu wasn't allowed to represent the university yet remain on scholarship to complete his academic pursuits. I would further point out that mistakes were very well made. Bubu's willingness to violate rules and laws were his own undoing.
2-your lust for bashing of the administration without the information is no different than the unsubstantiated criminal claims against bubu. You are making claims and allegations that you can't substantiate. The bravado has earned you an "atta boy". Your claims and accusations are implicating people of malfeasance that you are unable to substantiate.
3- Bubu's actions led to his suspension/exclusion from team activities. He plainly violated team, university, & ncaa rules, as well as the law which exposed him to a rather unfortunate unsubstantiated criminal charge leading to his suspension.
4-I am 100% certain Leath and pollard didn't force the alcohol or thc into Bubu's system. His impaired staus eroded his decision making and found him acting in a manner that is not consistent with university policy.
5-Clearly bubu was not nearly as committed to the team and meaningful participation until it was found he was no longer fit to be an isu representative. This begs the question: when did bubu decide that basketball was so important? Clearly after he got drunk, high, and engaged in questionable decisions, but when? What changed? This is clearly Leath's fault and Pollard is only parroting his boss. Do I have your position down?
6-I have yet to find any useful condemnation from you admonishing Bubu for damaging himself, the university, or his teammates. Let me guess you are going to blame Leath.

 

[ImJustKCClone]

So...are you waiting for people to say "we're not worthy"?

You've made cryptic statements and intimated that you have all this insider info. Clearly you're upset that others have different opinions, or interpret events differently. Perhaps future revelations will prove you had sources and a true grasp of the events and relative guilt of the involved parties. Perhaps they won't. Right now it seems the tide is against you, so I won't be jumping on your bandwagon just yet.

In the meantime, rants like your post here aren't particularly effective in convincing everyone that you're right.

 

[IAStubborn]

Excellent your opinion...your opinion sans the full information that seems fundamentally necessary to render a credible position. Your opinion.

You come and fling poo and act sad when someone has a fundamental belief divergent than yours. I am incredibly sorry that your feelers are hurt.

If one looks at the burden of the student disciplinary process there isn't much that bubu has going for him. In spite of the partial fact pattern(as released at this point) you can't find reason to afford latitude to those(Leath et al) that in fact have access to information you don't have. While your leap to conclusion has not sprained your ankle it certainly is reflective of your child-like zeal to render unqualified opinions. More insidious than your blatant disregard for facts, you are making rather broad charges against Leath and Pollard questioning their competency, intent, and fidelity to duty. You are prosecuting two accomplished administrators in the very manner Bubu endured in criminal proceedings.

Furthermore; I will stipulate that I don't have all of the information but I do believe there is more to it than the general public has access to(me included). I also believe I mentioned that I saw Bubu coaching at the Hoiberg camp and found that to be a disconnect from my position and need to wait for more information(In fact I think it was in this thread, no I am not going to look for it).

Here is what I am 100% certain of:
1-something happened that lead to an outcome where bubu wasn't allowed to represent the university yet remain on scholarship to complete his academic pursuits. I would further point out that mistakes were very well made. Bubu's willingness to violate rules and laws were his own undoing.
2-your lust for bashing of the administration without the information is no different than the unsubstantiated criminal claims against bubu. You are making claims and allegations that you can't substantiate. The bravado has earned you an "atta boy". Your claims and accusations are implicating people of malfeasance that you are unable to substantiate.
3- Bubu's actions led to his suspension/exclusion from team activities. He plainly violated team, university, & ncaa rules, as well as the law which exposed him to a rather unfortunate unsubstantiated criminal charge leading to his suspension.
4-I am 100% certain Leath and pollard didn't force the alcohol or thc into Bubu's system. His impaired staus eroded his decision making and found him acting in a manner that is not consistent with university policy.
5-Clearly bubu was not nearly as committed to the team and meaningful participation until it was found he was no longer fit to be an isu representative. This begs the question: when did bubu decide that basketball was so important? Clearly after he got drunk, high, and engaged in questionable decisions, but when? What changed? This is clearly Leath's fault and Pollard is only parroting his boss. Do I have your position down?
6-I have yet to find any useful condemnation from you admonishing Bubu for damaging himself, the university, or his teammates. Let me guess you are going to blame Leath.

If you are 100% of those things than you just lost all credibility in my book.

1. I have not said anything bad about JP other than he is too candid at times. So I guess my unsubstantiated allegations are just that. P.S. even if I had, speculation on a message board about why an administrator did what they did is not the equivalent of making an ubsubstantiated claim of rape or presuming guilt of the accussed.

2. My main critique of Leath was that I did not understand how there could be a middle ground for rape. If he thought him guilty he should be thrown out of school, if innocent he should have been reinstated. Ironically, since the end of the trial I said nothing bad about Leath in fact I said the trial shed some light on why Leath may have done the middle ground (the fact he was with spencer and the ALJ found him guilty of rape) and credited you for predicting that. Which in my mind at least could explain the his actions.

3. I am not a bubu apologist. I don't know what he is guilty of. However, I am a person that believes in due process and reserved judgement. The courts have found the charges unfounded so I will continue to presume his innocence.

4. My feeling have never been hurt by you.

5. I do not care for you or your arrogant manner of discussion so I am disengaging.

 

[ketelmeister]

A civil suit against Iowa State won't produce any money for Bubu, but could do major damage.

 

[CycloneWanderer]

Excellent your opinion...your opinion sans the full information that seems fundamentally necessary to render a credible position. Your opinion.

You come and fling poo and act sad when someone has a fundamental belief divergent than yours. I am incredibly sorry that your feelers are hurt.

If one looks at the burden of the student disciplinary process there isn't much that bubu has going for him. In spite of the partial fact pattern(as released at this point) you can't find reason to afford latitude to those(Leath et al) that in fact have access to information you don't have. While your leap to conclusion has not sprained your ankle it certainly is reflective of your child-like zeal to render unqualified opinions. More insidious than your blatant disregard for facts, you are making rather broad charges against Leath and Pollard questioning their competency, intent, and fidelity to duty. You are prosecuting two accomplished administrators in the very manner Bubu endured in criminal proceedings.

Furthermore; I will stipulate that I don't have all of the information but I do believe there is more to it than the general public has access to(me included). I also believe I mentioned that I saw Bubu coaching at the Hoiberg camp and found that to be a disconnect from my position and need to wait for more information(In fact I think it was in this thread, no I am not going to look for it).

Here is what I am 100% certain of:
1-something happened that lead to an outcome where bubu wasn't allowed to represent the university yet remain on scholarship to complete his academic pursuits. I would further point out that mistakes were very well made. Bubu's willingness to violate rules and laws were his own undoing.
2-your lust for bashing of the administration without the information is no different than the unsubstantiated criminal claims against bubu. You are making claims and allegations that you can't substantiate. The bravado has earned you an "atta boy". Your claims and accusations are implicating people of malfeasance that you are unable to substantiate.
3- Bubu's actions led to his suspension/exclusion from team activities. He plainly violated team, university, & ncaa rules, as well as the law which exposed him to a rather unfortunate unsubstantiated criminal charge leading to his suspension.
4-I am 100% certain Leath and pollard didn't force the alcohol or thc into Bubu's system. His impaired staus eroded his decision making and found him acting in a manner that is not consistent with university policy.
5-Clearly bubu was not nearly as committed to the team and meaningful participation until it was found he was no longer fit to be an isu representative. This begs the question: when did bubu decide that basketball was so important? Clearly after he got drunk, high, and engaged in questionable decisions, but when? What changed? This is clearly Leath's fault and Pollard is only parroting his boss. Do I have your position down?
6-I have yet to find any useful condemnation from you admonishing Bubu for damaging himself, the university, or his teammates. Let me guess you are going to blame Leath.

The administrative law judge who ruled in favor of bubu had exactly the same information, released or not, as leath. While you may believe that anonymous message board posts and making specified claims of criminal activity are similar, there is no denying the vast difference in consequences. When push comes to shove, you are assuming there is more information. You know what they say about that?

 

[Rural]

My head hurts.

 

[awd4cy]

 

[BWRhasnoAC]

Regardless of whether Bubu is guilty; ISU, Leath, and Pollard did a horrible job of handling this. They even made comments that were unprofessional and seemed to show a bias against Bubu. Keep your mouth shut and stick to your cards if you know more than what is out there. There is a reason people are innocent until proven guilty, you get people like us spreading crap over peoples names that may or may not have any baring. This is far from over, considering there are still more hearings to come. How about we all mind our own business and discuss this more, WITH TEMPERANCE, when we have all the facts?

 

[CyDude16]

A civil suit against Iowa State won't produce any money for Bubu, but could do major damage.

Yeah, I doubt it.

 

[awd4cy]

Regardless of whether Bubu is guilty; ISU, Leath, and Pollard did a horrible job of handling this. They even made comments that were unprofessional and seemed to show a bias against Bubu. Keep your mouth shut and stick to your cards if you know more than what is out there. There is a reason people are innocent until proven guilty, you get people like us spreading crap over peoples names that may or may not have any baring. This is far from over, considering there are still more hearings to come. How about we all mind our own business and discuss this more, WITH TEMPERANCE, when we have all the facts?

What comments? Link?

 

[jmb]

So...are you waiting for people to say "we're not worthy"?

You've made cryptic statements and intimated that you have all this insider info. Clearly you're upset that others have different opinions, or interpret events differently. Perhaps future revelations will prove you had sources and a true grasp of the events and relative guilt of the involved parties. Perhaps they won't. Right now it seems the tide is against you, so I won't be jumping on your bandwagon just yet.

In the meantime, rants like your post here aren't particularly effective in convincing everyone that you're right.

So when did he start care about basketball and isu?

 

[jmb]

If you are 100% of those things than you just lost all credibility in my book.

1. I have not said anything bad about JP other than he is too candid at times. So I guess my unsubstantiated allegations are just that. P.S. even if I had, speculation on a message board about why an administrator did what they did is not the equivalent of making an ubsubstantiated claim of rape or presuming guilt of the accussed.

2. My main critique of Leath was that I did not understand how there could be a middle ground for rape. If he thought him guilty he should be thrown out of school, if innocent he should have been reinstated. Ironically, since the end of the trial I said nothing bad about Leath in fact I said the trial shed some light on why Leath may have done the middle ground (the fact he was with spencer and the ALJ found him guilty of rape) and credited you for predicting that. Which in my mind at least could explain the his actions.

3. I am not a bubu apologist. I don't know what he is guilty of. However, I am a person that believes in due process and reserved judgement. The courts have found the charges unfounded so I will continue to presume his innocence.

4. My feeling have never been hurt by you.

5. I do not care for you or your arrogant manner of discussion so I am disengaging.

Ftw

 

[CyDude16]

Much rather have a situation like this as opposed to Missouri, Tulsa, or the handful of other schools under investigation/scrutiny.

Its not like bubu would have gotten us past the sweet 16.

 

[Psiclone]

Much rather have a situation like this as opposed to Missouri, Tulsa, or the handful of other schools under investigation/scrutiny.

Its not like bubu would have gotten us past the sweet 16.

There is actually no way to know, one way or another, if we could have made the Sweet 16 with him. Could he have made a 5-pt difference vs. Connecticut?

Another way to look at it is "how much of a difference would losing a slated starting point guard make to a team's success?" It's very possible he could have made a 5-pt difference. Additionally, he also could have made a difference in our overall record which could have given us a better record, thereby giving us an easier/different seed.

 

[CyDude16]

There is actually no way to know, one way or another, if we could have made the Sweet 16 with him. Could he have made a 5-pt difference vs. Connecticut?

Another way to look at it is "how much of a difference would losing a slated starting point guard make to a team's success?" It's very possible he could have made a 5-pt difference. Additionally, he also could have made a difference in our overall record which could have given us a better record, thereby giving us an easier/different seed.

i much prefer Morris and Thomas develop, especially Morris last year rather than what bubu can offer.

 

[BirdDog]

There is actually no way to know, one way or another, if we could have made the Sweet 16 with him. Could he have made a 5-pt difference vs. Connecticut?

Another way to look at it is "how much of a difference would losing a slated starting point guard make to a team's success?" It's very possible he could have made a 5-pt difference. Additionally, he also could have made a difference in our overall record which could have given us a better record, thereby giving us an easier/different seed.

Got to think that now the NCAA will grant Bubu a seventh season of eligibility.

 

[clonedude]

i much prefer Morris and Thomas develop, especially Morris last year rather than what bubu can offer.

I don't think this is about whether ISU would have been better off with Bubu playing or not? This is about Bubu protecting himself and his name. It's not really about basketball at all.

JP and Leath handled this thing just horribly. They should have kept their mouths shut, let the courts decide Bubu's fate, and then move on. They talked WAY too much IMO.

As someone else said, Bubu and Fred were the only ones that shut their mouths and handled this appropriately.

JP and Leath felt like they were all powerful and could do whatever they wanted to a student athlete at ISU because they were the AD and President. The courts said, "not so fast my friend. Bubu has rights too.".

JP and Leath tried to throw their weight around, and Bubu didn't back down.

Now.... with that being said, who knows what kind of outside pressures were being put on JP and Leath from varying groups or athletic donors? Their hands might have been tied kind of. But who knows? I still think JP and Leath could have shut up and let the courts make their decision, then they could have went back to these groups or donors and said "hey, we did everything we could to kick him off the team, but the courts decided against us.".

 

[ExCyment]

Hopefully Bubu and his family can get some decent cash from the assaulter, her mother, and ISU.

Why, did ISU ruin his budding NBA career???? This is stupid, ISU owes Bubu nothing. A walk on, who kept his scholarship and only missed out on the privilege of riding the bench all year. A lot of damage there. I hate this litigation mentality.

 

[CyDude16]

Why, did ISU ruin his budding NBA career???? This is stupid, ISU owes Bubu nothing. A walk on, who kept his scholarship and only missed out on the privilege of riding the bench all year. A lot of damage there. I hate this litigation mentality.

If Pierre pierce can play overseas, this situation won't prevent him from playing over there !!

 

[awd4cy]

There is actually no way to know, one way or another, if we could have made the Sweet 16 with him. Could he have made a 5-pt difference vs. Connecticut?

Another way to look at it is "how much of a difference would losing a slated starting point guard make to a team's success?" It's very possible he could have made a 5-pt difference. Additionally, he also could have made a difference in our overall record which could have given us a better record, thereby giving us an easier/different seed.

Considering Bubu's offensive ability I'm gonna go with a no.