Bubu

[CYKOFAN]

I must have missed where they intended to continue talk about it. Maybe blame the media for continually bringing it up.... Faux outrage, yeah!!

Maybe you don't live around here, but they made comments about BuBu to the local media at least 4-5 times that I can recall, the most repeated being "honor before victory" as a reason BuBu shouldn't play.

 

[Frak]

It's highly unlikely that Leath and JP had any information that the county attorney and ALJ didn't have. And it's too bad they used the media to try to play the morality card against BuBu, apparently in an attempt to affect public opinion and/or make sure Fred wouldn't play BuBu. During this process BuBu and Fred have kept their mouths shut while JP and Leath couldn't stop talking, publicly slandering BuBu in the process. Besides being completely unprofessional, some would consider that immoral and now it appears it may be blowing up in their faces.

Bubu needs to go away. Like it or not, he did something wrong. The courts may not be able to prove it, but Leath and Pollard knew it. They didn't want him representing ISU. So what? It's not like he lost his scholarship and it's not like he was going to play much anyway. He needs to GTF out of town.

 

[jsb]

Bubu needs to go away. Like it or not, he did something wrong. The courts may not be able to prove it, but Leath and Pollard knew it. They didn't want him representing ISU. So what? It's not like he lost his scholarship and it's not like he was going to play much anyway. He needs to GTF out of town.

That's one of the dumbest things I've read. Leath and Pollard think he did something wrong, they have no idea if he did or didn't. No one does.

Bubu worked Fred Hoiberg's basketball camps this summer. Fred must have felt that Bubu was OK enough to do that.

 

[jmb]

Two different things. Bubu V ISU is his appeal of the overturn of the ISU admin judge's finding that there were not sufficient grounds to suspend Bubu for student conduct code violations. That decision was anonymously appealed to Leath, who overturned it. Bubu appealed Leath's decision to the BofR, who upheld Leath's decision. Per student code, the student conduct code case could then be appealed by Bubu, using the legal system. Last winter the appeals judge issued a stay on Bubu's suspension from the basketball team, and he was allowed back on the team (although public comments made by persons not named Fred Hoiberg made it pretty clear he was not welcome there). He did not play. A judge just upheld Bubu's appeal of the suspension.

The civil suit is Bubu vs his accuser and her mother, for defamation of character I think. As things are panning out, it's looking more & more like he has a case.

When did marijuana use become legal in the state of Iowa?

 

[jmb]

That's one of the dumbest things I've read. Leath and Pollard think he did something wrong, they have no idea if he did or didn't. No one does.

Bubu worked Fred Hoiberg's basketball camps this summer. Fred must have felt that Bubu was OK enough to do that.

The suspension was well within the rules outlined in the administrative process when bubu admitted smoking pot. Review.

 

[IAStubborn]

I don't know enough to know if he is a good guy. I think he is a fairly good president. I think he made a huge mistake in the Bubu situation and I am glad that the court is calling Iowa State out on it. I would bet a lot of money that the reason Leath fought it was the focus by the federal government on sexual assaults on college campuses. Leath saw something that he felt was a sexual assault and overreacted. He deserves what he gets on this.

Well said, this sums up my feelings.

 

[IAStubborn]

I suppose it doesn't matter much, I just want to have my facts straight. According to this article from last winter, ISU' office of Judicial affairs said he violated the code. The Admin law judge found that unfounded. It was then appealed to Leath, the BOR backed it and the district court gave the stay.

So it wasn't initially Leath - although probably acting on his instruction (mostly).

I guess I'm just saying that it isn't Leath alone making this decision, despite how much people want to crucify him for it.

I'm curious how the Admin judge - who by my reading was between the OJA and Leath, could make a "finding", but then it could be appealed to Leath.

Still - I don't really get what is going to be accomplished in the end.

Edit: Ok, thanks for the link KC. This is about a setup for his civil suit against the accuser. In the end, I just hope that the correct decisions are made and justice is done.

The judicial affairs office was prosecuting the case, when an allegation is made and charges are brought (they were brought when he was still facing charges in the courts. He can either have an AL here the case or a panel comprised of professors and students he opted for the ALJ. The judicial affairs office itself doesn't rule they procedurally handle prosecution and bring forth charges.

 

[BryceC]

I cannot wait until in never have to hear about bubu ever again, and I'm extremely happy he didn't play last year because Monte got gobs of experience he may not have if bubu was playing.

 

[Psiclone]

Informative new Ames Trib. article re: ruling: http://amestrib.com/sports/men-s-basketball-credibility-center-recent-palo-decision

I didn't realize the accuser deleted text messages between her and Bubu. So, in addition to falsifying evidence (tearing blouse), she also destroyed evidence. She is lucky the county attorney didn't file charges against her.

 

[Scott34]

Informative new Ames Trib. article re: ruling: http://amestrib.com/sports/men-s-basketball-credibility-center-recent-palo-decision

I didn't realize the accuser deleted text messages between her and Bubu. So, in addition to falsifying evidence (tearing blouse), she also destroyed evidence. She is lucky the county attorney didn't file charges against her.

Your right cause I sure as hell would of.

 

[Wesley]

Maybe you don't live around here, but they made comments about BuBu to the local media at least 4-5 times that I can recall, the most repeated being "honor before victory" as a reason BuBu shouldn't play.

Bet now they wished they had said NO COMMENT.

 

[jbhtexas]

Will the judge's full decision be available online? I'm interested to see how he considered the testimony from the Mary Greeley medical examiner who found evidence of sexual trauma.

 

[ImJustKCClone]

The suspension was well within the rules outlined in the administrative process when bubu admitted smoking pot. Review.

And yet that was never the focus of any comments from ISU admin, was it?

 

[nfrine]

Based on what we are now hearing, Bubu is more than justified in his law lawsuit against the accuser and her mother. If any connection is discovered between one or both of these defendants and anyone associated with the BOR/ISU (potential influence), all heck is going to break loose. Hang on because this has a ways to go. Might get lucky and have an out-of-court, behind the scenes settlement due to the potential fallout.

 

[CYF5]

Will the judge's full decision be available online? I'm interested to see how he considered the testimony from the Mary Greeley medical examiner who found evidence of sexual trauma.

Intercourse and potentially resulting trauma was never disputed. Trauma to that area is not exclusive to rape.

A lot of lies she covered up that would make any reasonable person have significant doubt's about any type of nonconsenting sex occurring. University overreacted and the courts got it right. Not make light of any true sexual assaults. Unfortunately there are many who cry wolf for attention or to avoid embarrassment.

 

[Wesley]

And yet that was never the focus of any comments from ISU admin, was it?

Yep.

As an aside, a large portion of the student body might have problems over smoking marijuana.

 

[Wesley]

Intercourse and potentially resulting trauma was never disputed. Trauma to that area is not exclusive to rape.

A lot of lies she covered up that would make any reasonable person have significant doubt's about any type of nonconsenting sex occurring. University overreacted and the courts got it right. Not make light of any true sexual assaults. Unfortunately there are many who cry wolf for attention or to avoid embarrassment.

Is her relationship with the other boyfriend fellow still intact after this mess?

 

[JP4CY]

All along with Leath's reaction, I've been thinking to myself "maybe he personally or someone in the administration side knows the accuser's family."

 

[clonedude]

I've said all along that JP and Leath handled this whole thing horribly.

It kinda disturbs me to hear JP say that he felt Bubu acted "immorally". Ok, that's fine, but that is your opinion and your judgement. That is not enough to kick kids off of teams IMO. And it appears, thus far, the courts agree.

I really think JP and Leath figured they could throw their weight around and Bubu would go away with his tail between his legs. But Bubu fought back, and rightly so, to protect his name. It backfired on JP and Leath.

 

[Psiclone]

Your right cause I sure as hell would of.

In my over 20 years of experience as a prosecutor and criminal defense attorney, I've come across many similar cases involving false accusations. (And, many where the accusations were true.) The person making a false claim of sexual assault is never prosecuted. If they were prosecuted, it could deter other victims who actually were assaulted from filing a complaint.