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My take on what it means is that she was coherent enough to call and text someone she knew. That means she wasn't drunk enough to not be able to consent.

I'm not much of a texter but it seems you would have to have quite a bit of control to be able to type out words on those little cell phones. At what point somebody is too drunk to consent is anybody's guess, it depends on a lot of factors. But one thing that bothers me is that she can't claim she was drunk when she lied to the county attorney and fabricated evidence.
 
I'm not much of a texter but it seems you would have to have quite a bit of control to be able to type out words on those little cell phones. At what point somebody is too drunk to consent is anybody's guess, it depends on a lot of factors. But one thing that bothers me is that she can't claim she was drunk when she lied to the county attorney and fabricated evidence.

I get the feeling that some of you consider black-out drunk to be the level of intoxication required to not be able to give consent.
 
I'm not much of a texter but it seems you would have to have quite a bit of control to be able to type out words on those little cell phones. At what point somebody is too drunk to consent is anybody's guess, it depends on a lot of factors. But one thing that bothers me is that she can't claim she was drunk when she lied to the county attorney and fabricated evidence.

You can be unable to walk and still send totally coherent texts.
 
I get the feeling that some of you consider black-out drunk to be the level of intoxication required to not be able to give consent.

You're going to have to show me where I said anything even remotely similar to that. But considering that drinking often precedes sex, even with married people, wouldn't you agree that determining a point when a person is too drunk to consent is a very difficult task?
 
You're going to have to show me where I said anything even remotely similar to that. But considering that drinking often precedes sex, even with married people, wouldn't you agree that determining a point when a person is too drunk to consent is a very difficult task?
Not terribly difficult. I'd argue that point should occur when judgment/faculties are impaired enough to land you in jail. There are already laws on the books about that, so .08 works.
 
You're going to have to show me where I said anything even remotely similar to that. But considering that drinking often precedes sex, even with married people, wouldn't you agree that determining a point when a person is too drunk to consent is a very difficult task?

you made it sound like texting takes extreme focus and concentration. many kids today can text without hardly looking at their phone.
 
And there were texts prior to the call between them right? But they couldn't be used as evidence in Bubu's favor because she was drunk.

Correct me if I'm wrong here.

I believe they weren't admissible in court but the ALJ/Leath did have them to make their rulings. At least I know Leath is quoted as saying he read through pages of text messages. Although I don't know for sure if there may have been some that were still unavailable to the university or not.
 
I get the feeling that some of you consider black-out drunk to be the level of intoxication required to not be able to give consent.

That is the way I read it to be. If it is any less then you get into the point where it depends on the person. To be able to fairly decide if a person was able to consent it either has to be any alcohol or so much alcohol that they can't talk, walk, or whatever you want to call it.

Otherwise there isn't a good way to determine it. I shouldn't be held responsible because someone seems ok and with it then regrets sex and claims I wasn't aware of or under control of my actions.
 
That is the way I read it to be. If it is any less then you get into the point where it depends on the person. To be able to fairly decide if a person was able to consent it either has to be any alcohol or so much alcohol that they can't talk, walk, or whatever you want to call it.

Otherwise there isn't a good way to determine it. I shouldn't be held responsible because someone seems ok and with it then regrets sex and claims I wasn't aware of or under control of my actions.

Pretty sure any amount of alcohol at all pretty much makes it impossible for a woman to consent legally, even if there was a prior relationship. Even just one drink.
 
You're going to have to show me where I said anything even remotely similar to that. But considering that drinking often precedes sex, even with married people, wouldn't you agree that determining a point when a person is too drunk to consent is a very difficult task?
If you don't understand the idea of respecting when someone says "no" it is a difficult task.
 
If you don't understand the idea of respecting when someone says "no" it is a difficult task.

I don't think the issue is whether a woman says no, it is whether if she doesn't say no and she decides after the fact that she regrets it if a man can be put in prison for rape.

Of course if any person says no, it is cut and dry what happened.
 
I don't think Leath was out to make the ISU campus safer by kicking Bubu off the basketball team, I think he was looking to avoid having Bubu represent ISU's athletic department in any way. As someone already mentioned, having a threesome with a drunk girl and having that information get out to the public is enough of a black eye that it would be time to let him move on somewhere else.
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I suppose I could read the ISU student code but if a student is found guilty of violating it, is being kicked off a sports team one of the consequences?
 
If Bubu wins this case, Leath's going to look like an even bigger ******* than he did after kicking Bubu off before he was found guilty of anything.
 
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