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Your entire command of this matter is shakey. You should be careful throwing around terms like strawman.

Please elaborate. You say it's shaky yet have not attempted to dispute anything I have said (throughout this thread).

I in fact am well versed in Iowa Administrative code and the limitations of actions and declatory rulings by a state board and the recourse prescribed by law for those rulings in which this case was filed. In fact it is an area I deal with almost daily.

Student discipline requires due process at a public university (per the supreme court). Declatory rulings by Iowa's Administrative Boards and Commissions are subject to judicial oversight per Iowa Code.

Scholarships do not have to be renewed however, and a coach has authority over who makes the roster. Hence, had they just removed Bubu from the team or not renewed his scholarship he would not have been on Iowa State's roster last year.

Because they made it a punishment as part of their formal student discipline process it was subject to appeal to the regents and that appeal was subject to judicial oversight.

Universities have control over who represents them. However, Public universities have a duty to dicipline in a fair manner. That is what is being questionned. If ISU does not want courts interfering then ISU should not use athletic participation as a formal punishment for non athletic student conduct. They could have simply santioned him and then Leath call Pollard and told him he wants him off the team because he does not represent University values it would not have been subject to any appeal. If they choose to make participation a penalty for a student code violation then the Board of regents should make sure they are acting in a matter that affords the student appropriate due process because if they don't the courts may intervene if appealed as they did in this case. It is really that simple. The judicial overreach argument was bogus and was a strawman by the university to obscure how they mismanaged this process and thus allowing the courts to become involved.
 
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Please elaborate. You say it's shaky yet have not attempted to dispute anything I have said (throughout this thread).

I in fact am well versed in Iowa Administrative code and the limitations of actions and declatory rulings by a state board and the recourse prescribed by law for those rulings in which this case was filed.

Student discipline requires due process at a public university (per the supreme court). Declatory rulings by Iowa's Administrative Boards and Commissions are subject to judicial oversight per Iowa Code.

Scholarships do not have to be renewed however, and a coach has authority over who makes the roster. Hence, had they just removed Bubu from the team or not renewed his scholarship he would not have been on Iowa State's roster last year.

Because they made it a punishment as part of their formal student discipline process it was subject to appeal to the regents and that appeal was subject to judicial oversight.

Universities have control over who represents them. However, Public universities have a duty to dicipline in a fair manner. That is what is being questionned. If ISU does not want courts interfering then ISU should not use athletic participation as a formal punishment for non athletic student conduct they could have simply santioned him and then Leath call pollard and told him I want him off the team and it would not be subject to any appeal. If they choose to make participation a penalty then the Board of regents should make sure they are acting in a matter that affords the student appropriate due process because if they don't the courts may intervene if appealed as they did in this case. It is really that simple. The judicial overreach arguement was bogus and was a strawman by the university to obscure how they mismanaged this process and thus allowing the courts to become involved.
Ok. Stubborn you are right. I can't argue/discuss any further because you simply are firmly entrenched in your "well versed" position.
 
Please elaborate. You say it's shaky yet have not attempted to dispute anything I have said (throughout this thread).

I in fact am well versed in Iowa Administrative code and the limitations of actions and declatory rulings by a state board and the recourse prescribed by law for those rulings in which this case was filed. In fact it is an area I deal with almost daily.

Student discipline requires due process at a public university (per the supreme court). Declatory rulings by Iowa's Administrative Boards and Commissions are subject to judicial oversight per Iowa Code.

Scholarships do not have to be renewed however, and a coach has authority over who makes the roster. Hence, had they just removed Bubu from the team or not renewed his scholarship he would not have been on Iowa State's roster last year.

Because they made it a punishment as part of their formal student discipline process it was subject to appeal to the regents and that appeal was subject to judicial oversight.

Universities have control over who represents them. However, Public universities have a duty to dicipline in a fair manner. That is what is being questionned. If ISU does not want courts interfering then ISU should not use athletic participation as a formal punishment for non athletic student conduct. They could have simply santioned him and then Leath call Pollard and told him he wants him off the team because he does not represent University values it would not have been subject to any appeal. If they choose to make participation a penalty for a student code violation then the Board of regents should make sure they are acting in a matter that affords the student appropriate due process because if they don't the courts may intervene if appealed as they did in this case. It is really that simple. The judicial overreach argument was bogus and was a strawman by the university to obscure how they mismanaged this process and thus allowing the courts to become involved.

This. I don't get how his is hard for people to get. Some continue to think that the courts are getting in the way of the school when really the school is getting in the way of itself.

I think that is part of the problem as well. People don't actually understand what they are arguing about. Should Iowa State be able to say that he can't participate yes but that can't come as a formal punishment unless you want the courts to be able to step in.
 
Bubu is trusted enough to coach 8-@ year olds at Fred's camp.
 
Bubu is coaching my son this year at camp. Talked briefly with him and the kids on the team love being around him. One of the kids on the team was telling the others Bubu got arrested. My son asked about it and I simply told him that he was arrested but the police let him go because it appears someone lied about what he did. His response was "good, I really like Bubu". That's good enough for me.
 
Bubu is trusted enough to coach 8-@ year olds at Fred's camp.

inb4 butthurt parent pulls their kid from camp..

But for real, why is this thread still a thing? I'm embarrassed that this has been on the front page so long.
 
inb4 butthurt parent pulls their kid from camp..

But for real, why is this thread still a thing? I'm embarrassed that this has been on the front page so long.

That's not going to happen. Today is already the third day of camp and their team is still the exact same kids when they first broke out into teams. My wife and I had zero issues with it and not sure why anyone else would.

One very cool thing Bubu talked about with our son is how excited he was to graduate from college and how important it is to graduate. Not very often does an 8 year old come home from camp and talk about how cool it is that their coach graduated and how he wants to graduate when he's older.
 
inb4 butthurt parent pulls their kid from camp..

But for real, why is this thread still a thing? I'm embarrassed that this has been on the front page so long.

...as you contribute to keeping it on the front page with your post...

Maybe you don't log on to CF very often; it was on my front page for a few days in late May, then before that it was off the front page for quite some time.

You comment was unneccessary and inflammatory. You should be embarrassed.
 
Travis Hines @TravisHines21 · 5m

Bubu Palo has committed to Colorado State, he tells the Ames Tribune.

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