Bryce Dejean-Jones is a Cyclone

[swarthmoreCY]

If I had to guess:
Georges 16 ppg
BDJ 12
Hogue 12
McKay 10
Nader 10
Morris 8
Naz 8
Thomas 5
Everyone else 5

Georges, BDJ, and Nader (off the bench when McKay us back) should have high usage rates. IMO we need McKay to fill the efficient scoring we lost in Ejim (Hogue in Ejim's role, McKay in Hogue's). I look for Nader to be McGee like off the bench, but with a lower average (due to lower effective %).

 

[CyHawk7]

I'm thinking that we end up with 6 players averaging double figures next year.

Niang - 18+ ppg
Hogue - ~15 ppg
BDJ and Nader - ~12 ppg
Morris and Long - ~10 ppg

the wild card is McKay, he could cut into a couple of those players, I think most likely Nader, but who knows.

I love hogue but there is no way he averages for than bdj

 

[bawbie]

I love hogue but there is no way he averages for than bdj

Watch the UConn game again and tell me that. Hogue averaged 17ppg over the 6 postseason games last year, and now he will have plays ran for him. I see a season MUCH like Ejim's last year, where his rebounding is down a bit, but his scoring is up 3-4 ppg.

I'll enjoy revisiting this thread in December, either way.

 

[swarthmoreCY]

I love hogue but there is no way he averages for than bdj

Sure there is- run some plays to capitialize on a mismatch for a naturally efficent player that already gets himself several "garbage points" a game. In other words, Ejim.

 

[Rhoadhoused]

I don't think Hogue's role will be as a designed scorer. His points have and mostly will come via garbage buckets, hustle, putbacks, ect and some spot up 3s. I think that in itself will prevent him from scoring more than BDJ.

BDJ will get his points with the ball in his hand, attacking from the perimeter, and shooting more 3s. I'd be surprised if BDJ is more efficient than Hogue, but I'd be more surprised if Hogue scored more than BDJ.

 

[ISU42]

I think Niang will be at 17, BDJ at 15, and several guys in the 10-13 range.

 

[State43]

Makes me think BDJ felt he had to carry the team at UNLV while he has more options and a better system at ISU

 

[acgclone]

I think Niang will be at 17, BDJ at 15, and several guys in the 10-13 range.

Agreed. We just have so many scoring options and our guys will be playing less minutes overall with our depth.

It's exiting to think we legitimately have 8 guys capable of scoring 15+ any given night.

 

[swarthmoreCY]

I don't think Hogue's role will be as a designed scorer. His points have and mostly will come via garbage buckets, hustle, putbacks, ect and some spot up 3s. I think that in itself will prevent him from scoring more than BDJ.

BDJ will get his points with the ball in his hand, attacking from the perimeter, and shooting more 3s. I'd be surprised if BDJ is more efficient than Hogue, but I'd be more surprised if Hogue scored more than BDJ.

Seems contradictory IMO. That is why Hogue could average more than BDJ, or even Georges (unlikely) IMO.

So you do not think Hogue will be a mismatch at times? He should still get garbage buckets off Georges, BDJ, and Morris. But now he will also get some plays if his own, similar to how he moved up in line with Georges out.
Ejim was third in line behind Kane and Georges, yet led the team in scoring.

IMO if the guys execute at a high level, this year's version of Hoiball will have a lot of guys scoring darn near the same. Maybe 4 points separating the 2nd average leading scorer from the 7th. I think (hope) any of BDJ, Georges, Nader, and Hogue could be used to go get us points as a mismatch, and that does not even count Morris as a facilitator or McKay as a finisher.

 

[Dandy]

Makes me think BDJ felt he had to carry the team at UNLV while he has more options and a better system at ISU

But UNLV runs a pro style offense!! Effin' brainwashed Vaughn.

 

[HFCS]

I'm surprised so many compare Jones to Kane instead of Clyburn. Seems like the more accurate comparison since Jones isn't expected to play much point where Kane was expected to play a lot early on.

His build and athleticism is much more like Clyburn's and he's coming from the same conference. They produced at a pretty similar level considering minutes and that Jones had more talent on his team.

 

[swarthmoreCY]

I'm surprised so many compare Jones to Kane instead of Clyburn. Seems like the more accurate comparison since Jones isn't expected to play much point where Kane was expected to play a lot early on.

His build and athleticism is much more like Clyburn's and he's coming from the same conference. They produced at a pretty similar level considering minutes and that Jones had more talent on his team.

Clyburn was our 2nd pg, but I wouldn't equate him to either.

Plus, I think you are misreading the Kane comparison. It is not that people think it is the Cyclone he is most similar to, but gauging how much of what Kane did for the team will be filled by BDJ. Out of all the newcomers, he will shoulder the biggest portion.

 

[LindenCy]

But UNLV runs a pro style offense!! Effin' brainwashed Vaughn.

I'm guessing brainwashing wasn't a factor.

 

[ISUTex]

Another interesting tidbit from the CF Radio show:

Nader is at 240 lbs. Don't sleep.

We can win the whole fu#(ing thing this year.

Where is the weakness? Absolutely loaded.

 

[CoKane]

Bump.

I'm not worried about BDJ not buying into Hoiball anymore.

@ChrisMWilliams: Biggest surprise of preseason according to Matt Abdelmassih: “How unselfish Bryce Dejean-Jones is.â€￾ #Cyclones #CFRadioOnKXNO

He wont need to ball hog here. He and Nader will finally be able to shake the only good player on a terrible team monkey off of their backs. It's amazing what happens to guys once they feel like they have some sort of support.

 

[RustShack]

Niang and BDJ will be our primary scorers. Nader will also be a primary scorer off the bench when he's in.

 

[Dingus]

Ejim scored a lot of points last year because he worked his *** off and also received the ball in a lot of good positions.

Hogue scored 11 ppg on 7 shots/g, and was about the 4th option. He'll get some of the looks Ejim got last year. What I will keep him from scoring 18 ppg (IMO, besides the scorers around him), is I expect his 3's to stay about the same and he's not as good a foul shooter.

Although, I don't have any stats to back this up, but Dustin's FT shooting sure seemed to improve towards the end of the year.

I expect a big year from Hogue.

 

[Dingus]

Niang and BDJ will be our primary scorers. Nader will also be a primary scorer off the bench when he's in.

I agree with all this, but I might replace 'primary scorers' with 'primary options'. BDJ will get more shots, but because of Hogue's efficiency they could very well end up very close in ppg.

 

[Guetterdone1]

BDJ is different than any player we've had so far. He's a gunner and a fast break threat. Let the man pave is own path.

 

[NorthCyd]

Im not sure why everyone thinks of BDJ as a ball hog. He was essentially tied with another guy for the most assists per game last year. For an athletic wing scorer thats not bad.