Brackins #10 in 2010
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As much as I'd love to think that... I think we need to get into the Tourney first before we start thinking that way. When's the last time a lotter pick was on a college team that didn't go to the tourney?
Agreed.... talent is there, but long way to go. But hey, look at the jokes every year that the NBA takes out of H.S. and foreign Countries on "talent alone".... he could be up there...
Arizona didn't make the tourney this year, did they? So Jerryd Bayless. Or if they did and my memory sucks, then that big guy from Rider that the Kings selected.
Arizona was a 10 seed in the Duke/UCLA bracket. Rider is a mid-major so that's kind of comparing apples to oranges. However, Maurice Speights from Florida, Anthony Randolph from LSU (who went lottery), JJ Hickson from NC State, Ryan Anderson from Cal, Kosta Koufos from Ohio State, and Donte Greene from Syracuse all didn't play in the NCAA tournament this year and were all 1st round picks.
If you have talent, the NBA Scouts don't care how bad of a team you're on.
If you have talent, the NBA Scouts don't care how bad of a team you're on.
The thing that sucks about this, would be that Brackins would be gone before our stellar 2010 class would come in.
I think we'd need Brackins in 2010 in order to really compete.... I've met him a couple of times and he seems like a nice guy. Perhaps he'd stay another year if it looked like something special was in the pipeline for the next year..... At the same time, it's hard to pass up on millions..
I think we'd need Brackins in 2010 in order to really compete.... I've met him a couple of times and he seems like a nice guy. Perhaps he'd stay another year if it looked like something special was in the pipeline for the next year..... At the same time, it's hard to pass up on millions..
Understood, but the original poster said lottery, not just first round. Thanks for the correction on Arizona -- I just remembered that they were on the bubble. And I agree with your point.
I guess the main point here is that being a good college player and having pro potential is not synonymous in many cases. Perfect example, from last season - Tyler Hansbrough vs. Anthony Randolph.
Tyler Hansbrough has been 1st team ACC each of his first three seasons at UNC, including the national player of the year this year (tangent #1, Beasley deserved it more - look at the stats and the defenses Beasley had to face because his teammates sucked) and if Hansbrough had entered the draft after any one of those seasons, he wouldn't have came within 10 picks of the lottery, and he likely won't in the 2009 draft either.
On the other side of the spectrum, you have an athletic freak in Anthony Randolph. However, the league coaches didn't think he was even one of the best 17 players in that conference. (tangent #2, why does the SEC 1st team have 9 players and the SEC 2nd team have 8? So stupid.) The SEC, mind you, sucked, limped 5 teams in to the tournament, none of which survived to even the Elite Eight. And yet he goes in the lottery after not being, at best, the 18th player in the, at best, 5th best conference in the country.
So even though Hansbrough could go into an NBA 1-on-1 workout and abuse Anthony Randolph, the NBA scouts know that they want the guy who doesn't have a position, but might be a superstar in 6 years rather than the guy who will be a solid rotation power forward in the league for the next 12 years.
And to conclude this post, I'm sorry for slobbering all over Hansbrough. I want to make it clear that I'm not a fan of his game, how he flops for fouls on offense and cries for fouls, and how instead of going for blocks, he takes charges. (he had barely over one block for every three games he played). I just wanted to use him to illustrate the point that being a good college player and being a lottery player don't have as much correlation as you might think they should.
Tyler Hansbrough has been 1st team ACC each of his first three seasons at UNC, including the national player of the year this year (tangent #1, Beasley deserved it more - look at the stats and the defenses Beasley had to face because his teammates sucked) and if Hansbrough had entered the draft after any one of those seasons, he wouldn't have came within 10 picks of the lottery, and he likely won't in the 2009 draft either.
On the other side of the spectrum, you have an athletic freak in Anthony Randolph. However, the league coaches didn't think he was even one of the best 17 players in that conference. (tangent #2, why does the SEC 1st team have 9 players and the SEC 2nd team have 8? So stupid.) The SEC, mind you, sucked, limped 5 teams in to the tournament, none of which survived to even the Elite Eight. And yet he goes in the lottery after not being, at best, the 18th player in the, at best, 5th best conference in the country.
So even though Hansbrough could go into an NBA 1-on-1 workout and abuse Anthony Randolph, the NBA scouts know that they want the guy who doesn't have a position, but might be a superstar in 6 years rather than the guy who will be a solid rotation power forward in the league for the next 12 years.
And to conclude this post, I'm sorry for slobbering all over Hansbrough. I want to make it clear that I'm not a fan of his game, how he flops for fouls on offense and cries for fouls, and how instead of going for blocks, he takes charges. (he had barely over one block for every three games he played). I just wanted to use him to illustrate the point that being a good college player and being a lottery player don't have as much correlation as you might think they should.
I would love to see Craig go in the Top 10 and have a Cyclone that we can welcome back to Hilton as a bonified NBA Star but he has a long way to go to get to that point.
We have to remember that we have had only 3 players in our history leave early for the NBA and two of those might not have if the situation had been different.
We have to remember that we have had only 3 players in our history leave early for the NBA and two of those might not have if the situation had been different.
Yes, he is going to have the option of leaving early!!! He is going to explode in the next two years......The path isn't as long as you think it is!
I like Craig, I'm glad he's a clone, and I think he really does have a lot of talent. However, what really counts is what he shows on the floor, and to this piont he hasn't done anything to justify all this early exit lottery pick speculation that seems to crop up every few weeks. Being a highly ranked recruit in HS doesn't mean a sure thing early trip to the draft. (See the speculation that Taggart would be one and done, how did that turn out?)
That said, I think this may be a perfect chance to test out a second theory that seems to get a lot of play around that also doesn't really seem to have legs: coach Mac's ability to develop big men. He seems to have a great reputation for that, but I'm not sure I have seen an excellent example of it. Craig may have the talent to play at the next level, but he has a lot of developing to do first. I for one will be interested to see if the staff and the program is able to achieve that.
That said, I think this may be a perfect chance to test out a second theory that seems to get a lot of play around that also doesn't really seem to have legs: coach Mac's ability to develop big men. He seems to have a great reputation for that, but I'm not sure I have seen an excellent example of it. Craig may have the talent to play at the next level, but he has a lot of developing to do first. I for one will be interested to see if the staff and the program is able to achieve that.
Ditto that...how come us Cyclone fans think our players are bonafide going to the NBA?
Realize this, there's only 62 picks in the draft and I saw nothing that makes Brackins an NBA pick. Julius Michalik had a better freshman year.
I'm not ragging on Craig, I love the fact he's a Clone and you definately see the potential. He just has a long ways to go.