Bracket Discussion

[CloneIce]

The matrix has us as the first 5. They have VCU as the last 12. Of the other 12 seeds, that's the one I would want.

Not me. They won a tougher conference and regularly beat better teams than those other teams.

Seriously, why is anyone scared of Drake?

 

[CoachHines3]

Indians losing helps. Guessing it would still be a Q1 loss for them tho

 

[cyclones500]

The last at large P6 12 seed was in 2014. It does not happen often.

Glad you checked, regarding at-large 12s -- I could find a lot of the P6 12's but didn't have time to delineate auto & at-large.

Missouri's 2002 was at-large also.

 

[CloneIce]

We have no idea how many Drake would have if the entire system wasn't built against them getting the opportunities.

That's a team that's older than 5 NBA teams that's won a lot of games with a dominant point guard and a go to scorer. That's the exact type of Valley, A10, MW team that wins a game or two in the tournament.

Sure. But every year there are lower seeds from P6 conferences that do the exact same thing.

 

[cyclones500]

Indians losing helps. Guessing it would still be a Q1 loss for them tho

Yeah, IU probably wouldn't drop much in S-curve if at all, unfortunately.

 

[CloneIce]

Why?

Isn't that cowardly of ISU and Iowa?

Why should they look out for Drake or UNIs interests over their own schools?

 

[AlaCyclone]

Glad you checked, regarding at-large 12s -- I could find a lot of the P6 12's but didn't have time to delineate auto & at-large.

Missouri's 2002 was at-large also.

Oklahoma was a 13 seed in 1999 and made the Sweet 16.

 

[ISUChippewa]

Not me. They won a tougher conference and regularly beat better teams than those other teams.

Seriously, why is anyone scared of Drake?

I wouldn't say I'm "scared" of them, but they did beat a Top 15 (at the time) SEC team (Mississippi State) on a neutral court; they have a high-major talent player in DeVries, and they absolutely destroyed a good Bradley team by 26 that they had lost to by double digits previously just a week earlier in the regular season finale. Plus, they're a veteran team with a lot of older players (just like us), not to mention if it comes down to a matchup they'll have the extra motivation of taking down the in-state "big brother" (a term I normally hate using in sports due to the inherent condescension involved).

There's a pretty decent chance our opponent could be them, Oral Roberts, or Charleston. All three would be tough games, but I'd take the latter two based on the reasons above.

 

[CloneIce]

I wouldn't say I'm "scared" of them, but they did beat a Top 15 (at the time) SEC team (Mississippi State) on a neutral court; they have a high-major talent player in DeVries, and they absolutely destroyed a good Bradley team by 26 that they had lost to by double digits previously just a week earlier in the regular season finale. Plus, they're a veteran team with a lot of older players (just like us), not to mention if it comes down to a matchup they'll have the extra motivation of taking down the in-state "big brother" (a term I normally hate using in sports due to the inherent condescension involved).

There's a pretty decent chance our opponent could be them, Oral Roberts, or Charleston. All three would be tough games, but I'd take the latter two based on the reasons above.

It’s the NCAA tourney. All the 12 seeds will be tough. They can bring it on.

 

[QBEagles]

Oklahoma was a 13 seed in 1999 and made the Sweet 16.

We were a 13 in 1985 and a 12 in 88. I think 12+ seed at-larges used to be more common, but tourney expansion, conference consolidation, and selection criteria changes have all worked against it happening more often.

 

[exCYtable]

Looks like Iowa's win at Indiana wasn't as glamorous as everyone thought. Getting housed by Penn State.

 

[cyclones500]

Oklahoma was a 13 seed in 1999 and made the Sweet 16.

True.

I didn't delve into sub-12s but P6 (or 13 at-large from any leagues) ... getting at-large 13 is even more rare.

Notably, Iowa State got at-large 13 in 1985 (first season of 64-era).

 

[Marcelason78]

The basics, from tournament selection process:

At no point is a member present for conversation about or vote on a ballot including a team the individual represents as an athletics director or commissioner. Also, a committee member may not vote and shall not be present during any discussion regarding the selection or seeding of a team in which an immediate family member is a student-athlete on the team, is a member of the coaching staff, or is a senior athletics administrator of the institution. An athletics director or commissioner is permitted to answer general factual questions-- e.g., injury dates, player availability -- about teams in the conference the individual represents.

--> (my note) I guess people don't have to believe that it's followed, but if that's the case the entire process is a house of cards.

JP does get to weigh in on Drake.

 

[dahliaclone]

Would rather play drake than Charleston or Kent state or oral Roberts

 

[Bob f]

The consensus is, last year's team made sweet 16, an this year's team has a chance to do so. So who gives a **** who we play in round of 64

 

[CyPunch]

Correct. UNI has tried with both and there is zero interest even for a buy game.

Good

 

[CyPunch]

I’m going on record that okie state gets in despite almost everyone saying they’re one of the first out.

I think so too

 

[CyPunch]

Not true at all. UNI offered a flat buy game this year and Iowa State wasn't interested, nor was Iowa. I can't speak for Drake.

I don't expect that there will be any discussions of playing a game at all in the future.

UNI finished #219 on KenPom. Your season wasn't lost because you didn't get to play Iowa State.

 

[1UNI2ISU]

UNI finished #219 on KenPom. Your season wasn't lost because you didn't get to play Iowa State.

Where on earth did I even imply that?

 

[alarson]

The last at large P6 12 seed was in 2014. It does not happen often.

Indiana last year?