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I agree TCU got slighted. But they didn't win the conference by our own definitions. So the comparison here should really be Baylor and Ohio State. So I don't think this is a huge slight like everyone else.

I have no doubt if Alabama loses their conference title game, that they still get in. So I agree a double standard definitely exits, but I just think the line is very blurry in this case, and it could go either way.
 
Conference affiliation sure matters (better to be B10 than B12). But more than that just the team name matters. Put Northwestern on OSU's resume, and I think Baylor/TCU get in. Put OU/UT on Baylor/TCU's resume, and I think OU/UT get in.
 
BloodyBuddy said:
I agree TCU got slighted. But they didn't win the conference by our own definitions. So the comparison here should really be Baylor and Ohio State. So I don't think this is a huge slight like everyone else.

I have no doubt if Alabama loses their conference title game, that they still get in. So I agree a double standard definitely exits, but I just think the line is very blurry in this case, and it could go either way.
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You keep changing the criteria :). In every measurable TCU had a better resume. OSU makes everyone involved more money. It was 100% about the cash. Don't make up false resumes to justify the choice.
 
Its funny how things work out...

Everyone predicted on Gameday that Ohio State and Florida State would lose. If that did happen, the likelyhood of both Baylor and TCU getting in was very strong.

Could you imaging a TCU vs Baylor National Champion game? This is why I think TV execs were also involved in the committee's decision.
 
cycloneG said:
You keep changing the criteria :). In every measurable TCU had a better resume. OSU makes everyone involved more money. It was 100% about the cash. Don't make up false resumes to justify the choice.
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Yeah

I mean lets pretend we'd added 2 more teams from the available teams list (cincy, BYU, UCF, memphis, etc). Assuming TCU or baylor were still on top. those teams added likely would have just diluted the conference SOS even more so that's what ESPN would have used to justify keeping the big 12 out. Or theyd just push even more on the 'they destroyed a #13 team' argument, even though that team was incredibly, incredibly overrated.
 
BloodyBuddy said:
I agree TCU got slighted. But they didn't win the conference by our own definitions. So the comparison here should really be Baylor and Ohio State. So I don't think this is a huge slight like everyone else.

I have no doubt if Alabama loses their conference title game, that they still get in. So I agree a double standard definitely exits, but I just think the line is very blurry in this case, and it could go either way.
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OK, Notre Dame is no longer an FBS level football team. Was nice knowing you Notre Dame football, but it's over now.

#letsberealthisthingisrigged
 
Some here won't like it but TCU has nobody to blame but themselves and maybe ISU.

While the CFB world and committee watched, they put a very pedestrian first half together.

That was not a Top 4 performance and probably rang louder than the 55-3 final did.
 
Chipper said:
Some here won't like it but TCU has nobody to blame but themselves and maybe ISU.

While the CFB world and committee watched, they put a very pedestrian first half together.

That was not a Top 4 performance and probably rang louder than the 55-3 final did.
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Please tell me you're joking.
 
Chipper said:
Some here won't like it but TCU has nobody to blame but themselves and maybe ISU.

While the CFB world and committee watched, they put a very pedestrian first half together.

That was not a Top 4 performance and probably rang louder than the 55-3 final did.
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This decision had nothing to do with play on the field.
 
MartyFine said:
One thing is clear. The regular season and on-field results clearly do not matter
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I'm convinced the 59-0 over UW was the only thing the committee considered — or at least gave undue extra weight to the conference title games.

If that was all that mattered, I admit that's a helluva beatdown w/ a 3rd-string QB, but ... also, how much did Wisconsin have to gain from that game? How badly would TCU have had to beat Iowa State to equal it? 95 point win? 170?

The most-recent "committee reveal" had TCU ahead of Ohio State.
Massey has TCU 3rd, Ohio State 5th (AFTER Saturday's games) (TCU one place ahead of FSU)
Sagarin has TCU 2nd, Ohio State 5th (AFTER Saturday's games) (with TCU #2 behind Alabama, and 13 slots above FSU)
New AP poll has Baylor 4th, Ohio State 5th, TCU 6th.

The only thing each team could "control," its non-conference slate: Each team played one P5 opponent:
Ohio State lost, at home, to Virginia Tech, which finished tied for 5th (Last) in its division in the ACC.
TCU defeated Minnesota, which finished 2nd in its division in B10. (Ohio State beat UM, too, by 7 on the road, TCU by 23 at home).

Ohio State destroyed a lot of inferior opponents, but so did TCU.
 
BloodyBuddy said:
10 spots is pretty insignificant, IMO, when you are in the 40's all bets are off. Who cares, it was close and OSU dominated a good opponent the last game of the year. It was not a total slight that people make it out to be. Schedule someone in the non-con with a pulse and make the SOS difference undisputable. Thats the solution. Or add a title game with 10 teams. Expansion should be the last resort at this point, unless you can steal a power 5 team.
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You do realize the NCAA does not allow a 10 team conference to have a championship game for some unknown reason. Also not having one never hurt the Big 10 and often benefitted them in the past. ESPN got who they wanted. Ohio State did not earn it and will likely get blown out. Not watching a single game myself.
 
ExCyment said:
You do realize the NCAA does not allow a 10 team conference to have a championship game for some unknown reason. Also not having one never hurt the Big 10 and often benefitted them in the past. ESPN got who they wanted. Ohio State did not earn it and will likely get blown out. Not watching a single game myself.
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The title game/No-title game should be irrelevant in the discussion. NCAA basketball format allows each conference to choose it's "auto-bid" choice, either by regular season or conference tournament — Ivy is the lone "holdout" by choosing its regular-season winner to be automatic qualifier.

Which brings up the biggest issue I have: I’m giving almost no credibility to a playoff system until every team in D-1 has a path to compete for the national title.

You can make it nearly impossible for teams for Sun Belt-ish leagues to qualify for the playoff or have any shot at advancing beyond opening round, if you want. You can make it so the field includes only the top 2 of the four lowest auto-qualifiers, or 2 of the top 8, of whatever, if necessary. It would require at least 12 teams, possibly 16. But no “P5â€￾ champ will be omitted, ever, unless its conference happens to be unusually s***** in a particular season.
 
BloodyBuddy said:
I agree TCU got slighted. But they didn't win the conference by our own definitions. So the comparison here should really be Baylor and Ohio State. So I don't think this is a huge slight like everyone else.

I have no doubt if Alabama loses their conference title game, that they still get in. So I agree a double standard definitely exits, but I just think the line is very blurry in this case, and it could go either way.
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Actually they did. According to the "definition" they are Co-Champions. As far as the determination as to who would get the bid for Bowl games, then Baylor would get the invitation over TCU.......but that would ONLY apply under the old Bowl Game rules.

The NEW Format of the College Football Playoff Committee means that the COMMITTEE makes all those decisions. Bowlsby was actually correct that the Committee was to make the decision.

Then the Committee gave us the BS that Championships is the definition and a CCG is almost a requirement.

Using that criteria, there should NEVER be 2 SEC teams in the Final Four........EVER. Yet the Committee was almost bending over backwards to try to give a berth to Mississippi State until they suffered their second loss.

IMO, the Committee is even worse than the old BCS system. Now human biases and cronyism can justify any decision.
 
Folks, ESPN (ABC) has bought and paid for college football. When any thing is in doubt, please refer to the potential TV ratings for the teams involved. Most things in life are pretty simple to understand if one follows the money trail. Yes, you can bet your booties that if your beloved Cyclones ever go 11-1 they will be on the outside looking in. It will not make any difference what their conference affiliation happens to be. Only Texas and Oklahoma in the Big 12 put enough eyes in front of a TV for the powers that be to pay any attention whatsoever.
 
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ESPN is the tv partner of the Big 10.....No way that espn will ever let a big 12 team into their little party unless of course its Texas or Oklahoma.

TV execs are always gonna get what they want which of course is the tv sets that the big ten provides.

The ACC and the big xii are expendable.....so to speak.
 
Take a look at the entire history of NCAA football champions and also recall what Oklahoma did to Bama last year and that's all you need to know about why neither TCU nor Baylor were selected.
 
TCU beat one of the historically worst football programs ever by 52 points. OSO beat Wisconsin by a greater score. Can't you find something more pathetic to complain about? I heard it's supposed to be a mild winter. Better protest that or somehow tie it to Iowa State and the Refs.
 
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