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Big 12 fourth best conference?

cayin said:
The Big 10 was good this year. The difference is when the Big 10 is good, the media amplifies everything Big 10. The Big 12 has had very powerful bb seasons in the past and never got the same kind of media attention and favorable tournament seeding.
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It happens most years in FB and BB. Because the B1G is #1 in TV sets, the media automatically caters to them. All the media hype, convinces B1G fans that they are better than they actually are, and then the bowl season happens (or in this case the NCAA tourney) and they are brought back to reality.

Obviously it's more apparent in FB, where they are usually about the #3-4 conference and they get worked in bowl games. In basketball the hype is probably a little more deserved, but it's still artificially high.
 
The Big 10 could have occupied all four Final Four slots, the Big 12 could have had no team advance beyond the Sweet 16, and the Big 10 could have swept all of the meetings against the Big 12 all year and people would still insist that the Big 12 is better than the Big 10.

If it's mature conversation you're looking for, you came to the wrong place.
 
The BIG 12 had a higher % of teams dancing than the big 10 teams and the big 10. The big 10 PR machine got them several wonderful seeds and it then it went Bang. Both are good conferences and any fan base can cherry pick stats to make themselve look better. The bottomline is, if you just looking at the seedings and results you would see who the clear winner is.....BIG 12.. Go Cyclones
 
jdoggivjc said:
The Big 10 could have occupied all four Final Four slots, the Big 12 could have had no team advance beyond the Sweet 16, and the Big 10 could have swept all of the meetings against the Big 12 all year and people would still insist that the Big 12 is better than the Big 10.

If it's mature conversation you're looking for, you came to the wrong place.
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Sorry, but, none of that happened did it? If it did I would be the first to say that the Big 10 was much better than the Big 12. Unfortunately, Big 10 fans can't seem to use the same kind of logic to see the Big 10 was over hyped all year. It was a good conference, but..............
 
1100011CS said:
A friend of mine made that statement. Squawk fan(imagine that). Give me some arguments please.
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my argument is who cares. the truth is Iowa would have finished near the bottom of the big 12. the truth is missou, baylor, iowa state and kansas could have all won the big 10, they may not have, but they could have.

Here is all your friend needs to know. Iowa State is better right now in football, and basketball.
 
The Big 12 compiled its dominant 6-1 record against the Big Ten with just two home games as well. 7 games with a dominant record and only 2 home games is hard to argue against.

LMAO off that we heard all season that Ohio State would have won if Sullinger had played. No Sullinger - 11 point loss. With Sullinger - 2 point loss with the refs giving OSU a 3 point bonus in the final 10 seconds on a neutral court.
 
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Why does this even matter? I'll never understand the "my conference is better than yours ra ra ra" stuff.
 
I thought that the B10 was pretty good this year. Overhyped a little for sure, but they were solid. Better than the B12? I don't know, they seemed pretty even to me with the B12 a little better at the top and B10 a little more solid in the middle. Not that it matters.
 
1100011CS said:
A friend of mine made that statement. Squawk fan(imagine that). Give me some arguments please.
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This may already be posted, but...
RealTimeRPI.com Men's College Basketball Power Ratings - A leading sports ratings and resources community on the Internet - College Football Ratings
Big 10 first, Big 12 second

Sagarin ratings...the same
USATODAY.com

Another ...the same
NCAA Basketball Power Ratings - NCAA BB Overall Power Rtg Conference Ratings on TeamRankings.com
 
acoustimac said:
This may already be posted, but...
RealTimeRPI.com Men's College Basketball Power Ratings - A leading sports ratings and resources community on the Internet - College Football Ratings
Big 10 first, Big 12 second

Sagarin ratings...the same
USATODAY.com

Another ...the same
NCAA Basketball Power Ratings - NCAA BB Overall Power Rtg Conference Ratings on TeamRankings.com
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Ratings don't mean anything when the big12 have a team going to the final game and the big10 doesn't.
 
acoustimac said:
This may already be posted, but...
RealTimeRPI.com Men's College Basketball Power Ratings - A leading sports ratings and resources community on the Internet - College Football Ratings
Big 10 first, Big 12 second

Sagarin ratings...the same
USATODAY.com

Another ...the same
NCAA Basketball Power Ratings - NCAA BB Overall Power Rtg Conference Ratings on TeamRankings.com
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The same computers that have the Big 10 about a slim one point better as a basketball conference had the Big 12 about 5-7 points better as a football conference and even a couple points higher than the SEC.

Why no non stop barrage of media sensationalism that the Big 12 was by far the best football conference this year? Fans on this board are accurately commenting that the Big Ten was good in hoops this year, but not significantly better than 2-3 other conferences. The computer polls you posted actually back their point up. A 1-2 point difference in basketball results in a full year of Big Ten lovefest where they don't deliver when it matters most. The Big 12 smoked everybody in these same ratings in football and almost went UNDEFEATED in non conference play, yet that only resulted in some media begrudgingly admitting the Big 12 might be the second best football conference. Striking difference there.
 
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CyBer said:
Ratings don't mean anything when the big12 have a team going to the final game and the big10 doesn't.
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You're saying that all of the games played up to the Kansas-Ohio State game don't matter. When you're talking about overall strength of conferences, that just doesn't make any sense.
 
Doc said:
You're saying that all of the games played up to the Kansas-Ohio State game don't matter. When you're talking about overall strength of conferences, that just doesn't make any sense.
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They don't mean anything when they come from big10 homers.
 
jdoggivjc said:
So when Kentucky wins tomorrow night that means the SEC is the best conference in the country? :confused:
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Whether Kentucky wins or not there was no gigantic difference between the Big Ten, Big 12, Big East and SEC this year. The ACC was not significantly worse either. It was a myth we were sold by the media and even some Cyclone and Big 12 fans lapped it up as the Big 12 smashed them 6-1 with only two home games.

You want to see a big legitimate quality gap? Check out these same polls and conference rankings for football that show Big 12 and SEC football as the major leagues and everyone else as the minors with gaps 3-10x as large as the vaunted Big Ten's rankings in hoops.

That's what people are saying, why this huge build up all season about a conference that really was no better than quite a few other leagues and was matched or outperformed in the round of 16, 8, 4 and 2 by the other leagues? They did well the first few rounds but they should with the high seeds they got.
 
HFCS said:
The Big 12 compiled its dominant 6-1 record against the Big Ten with just two home games as well. 7 games with a dominant record and only 2 home games is hard to argue against.

LMAO off that we heard all season that Ohio State would have won if Sullinger had played. No Sullinger - 11 point loss. With Sullinger - 2 point loss with the refs giving OSU a 3 point bonus in the final 10 seconds on a neutral court.
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lets look deeper into that 6-1 record shall we?

while the big 12 only hosted 2 games, the big ten only hosted 2 of those games too. so much for that being such a huge advantage in the big 12's favor

now lets look at the matchups:

all 7 of the games came against teams that finished in the top 3 of the big 12, while 4 of the matchups featured teams that finished 6th or below in the big ten. its hard to use that 6-1 record as definite proof of the big 12 being better when so few of the matchups were accurate matchups

here are all 7 matchups along with the conference finish of each team. pretty lopsided matchups that favored the big 12, and to use hfcs point from later on, the 6-1 record isnt impressive b/c they had favorable matchups, just like the big ten's favorable tournament matchups.

#1 kansas win at home vs tied #1 osu
#1 kansas neutral win vs tied #1 osu
#1 kansas netural win vs #6 purdue
#2 missouri neutral win vs #10 illinois
tied #3 baylor win at #7 northwestern
#3 isu win at home vs #8 iowa
#3 isu loss at tied #1 michigan
 
Let's put this into perspective:

The Big 10 put 50% of its teams in the NCAA Tournament, The Big 12 but in 60%

Of those teams:
The Big 10 won 8 games and no team made it to the Elite 8.
The Big 12 won 14 games, put 3 teams in the Elite 8, 1 in the Final Four and 1 in the Finals.

The Big 10 :realmad: is over rated and always has been.
 
CyofClive said:
Let's put this into perspective:

The Big 10 put 50% of its teams in the NCAA Tournament, The Big 12 but in 60%

Of those teams:
The Big 10 won 8 games and no team made it to the Elite 8.
The Big 12 won 14 games, put 3 teams in the Elite 8, 1 in the Final Four and 1 in the Finals.

The Big 10 :realmad: is over rated and always has been.
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Oooo, this isn't going to go well for you.

Both conferences put 6 teams in the tournament.
The Big 10 had a better winning percentage in the tournament.
Ohio State made it to the Final Four, but I guess somehow they were able to skip over the Elite Eight to get there.
The Big 12 had 2 teams in the Elite 8, not 3.
 
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