And if Self coaches until he's 70 and continues to average the 30 wins a year he has averaged in his 10 years at Kansas he would be close to 1,100 wins. Heck, with his own recruits the last 7 years he has averaged 32.5 wins a year. Do I think he would average 30+ wins a year for 19 more years? My gut tells me no, but really, what would slow him down other than age on the relentless recruiting trail?
Better Coach - Self or Dreamy
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The NBA.
Sorry, just thought you needed a taste of the crap we ISU fans have to listen to all the time about Fred.
I agree with this. I was reading through the thread and was surprised at how long it took someone to mention Boeheim.
At Syracuse since 1976 as head coach. Player and assistant before that, all at Syracuse. Worst record in all that time was 16-13, so he never had a losing record. Pretty good considering he has used the same defense, and everyone knows what he is going to do defensively, for decades. Definitely top 5 of active coaches.
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I agree that the NBA is a possibility but I think it is remote. Why leave Kansas, where he can go down as a legend at one of the most storied programs in the sport to be the next ex-coach of some NBA team? He might consider San Antonio when Pops leaves due to his ties with their GM but I would think that is the only NBA job he'd really consider. I would be surprised if Hoiberg isn't in the NBA in the next five years.
You have to look at context, you are merely looking at won lost. There is more to coaching than winning and losing. I realize that many people don't see it that way, however, the ISU context, and the Kansas context in basketball doesn't compare. The game lost last year should have made it 3-7. That would make a big difference.
Is this a serious question? Of course Self is a better coach. Maybe Hoiberg will surpass him, but he hasn't yet. And frankly it's not even close. First we need to beat KU on a regular basis, then get to the Sweet 16, Elite 8, Final Four and win some Championships.
Now who is a better person? Hoiberg by a mile.
Now who is a better person? Hoiberg by a mile.
Why would Hoiberg want to be the next ex-coach of some NBA team any more than Bill Self would?
Why? Hoiberg is locked it at a relatively small average salary of $2 million a year for the next 10 years. Self is one of the highest paid coaches in college basketball and likely wouldn't even be getting a raise to go to the NBA. Hoiberg's new ISU contract worth $20 million through 2023Self’s new KU contract worth $52 million through 2021-22But I agree that Hoiberg, with all of his children's grandparents in Ames, will likely be at Iowa State for the forseeable future.
You're on crack if you think that Hoiberg is a better coach than most of the coaches you indicated. Those are coaches who have actually accomplished something in the sport, which Hoiberg has NOT. You're basically saying that Hoiberg is the sixth best active coach in college basketball . That's ludicrous. Based on WHAT? His third place finishes in the Big 12? His 3rd round losses in the tourney. Again, hats off to supporting your coach but don't lose your mind. He hasn't actually done anything yet besides "not stink like the last guy."
Are you aware of tact? It isn't always WHAT you say, but HOW you say it?! Unless you truly enjoy trolling, make your points by certain standards of civility rather than trashing a coach that Cyclone fans hold dear!
Bill Self is a great coach, others mentioned are great coaches, Cyclone fans are absolutely thrilled with what we have with Fred. Fred is the BEST coach for ISU right now, that is all that matters.
The BEST coach also has to be the right fit for the school. Kansas has the right coach for Kansas. I think we have the right one at ISU as well.
Hoiberg is easily one of the best young Coaches in the game. Right there with guys like Smart. Not many people could have done what he has done. No coaching experience and in year two he is winning a game in the NCAA tourney. Even his first year with what they had to work with was a very good coaching job. He is only going to get better. There is no doubt in my mind if they start landing some top recruits he will have them challenging for conference titles and final fours.
I have made numerous tactful posts on the topic, including making the exact "Hoiberg is great for ISU and Self is great for Kansas" point that you just made. I do not believe that pointing out the accomplishments (or lack thereof) of Hoiberg equal "trashing" him. I will try to be more civil and point out simply that perhaps #6 in all active head coaches may be a tad high for a coach that hasn't finished in the top two of his conference yet and who hasn't made it past the Round of 32 yet. That's all.
ISU had two shots already and came up short. Give it the old Mizzou rallying cry of "Maybe next year"...
Isn't there someway to put people in cyber-solitary confinement? When Jayhawk fans make someone else's fans their mission, you know there can't be any decent way to spend your time. You realize there are limited moments in your life span? Moments spent here are wasted. You are accomplishing absolutely nothing.
Fred has already had his contract restructured in his first 3 years at Iowa State. You are crazy if you think that continued success won't be matched with new contracts long before the new 10 year deal ends.