Behind Enemy Lines: Big 12

[Cy$]

1. Fred is an elite coach and what he did worked. I have no problem with how he ran the program. It would have been nice had he actually liked the job and stayed with the job. There will never be a more 'Iowa State' thing than that.

2. I suspect the truth about McKay last year isn't quite as bad as it sounds when you read that story, but we've seen enough this year to assume there's probably a lot of truth to it.

3. But.....Fred leaving when he did really screwed the program over. It's unfair for the players to have to adjust to a coach who was basically as magician at making things work to a mere mortal coach. It's unfair to Prohm. By all accounts, he's tried to let the little things go. He's said openly that he's doing things that he normally wouldn't because the players deserve to have things be similar. But I can understand him wanting the players to, I don't know, practice consistently. That's a perfectly valid demand. And, lets be clear, most of the players have at least somewhat bought in. They may not like it, but they are doing what they have to.

4. We were fed a line of ******** from those that were trying to protect Fred's image last spring that him leaving last year was the best thing for the program. That's what makes me the most mad. It wasn't the best thing for the program. It was the best thing for Fred. The players would have been far better off with one more year of Fred. And the new coach would have been far better off with less players who could compare how good things were with the last guy. I realize that TJ was promised/assumed to be the next coach. But....as good as everyone assumes TJ is, I'm pretty sure that he would need to require the guys to practice as well.

5. The comparisons of Prohm to McDermott are ignorant and silly at this point.

Yeah, Fred leaving a top 25 (top 15 to a majority) team really screwed ISU over. I'm not a big Prohm fan so far but I'm not going to make fire Prohm threads already because I know it's going to be a 3-4 year process getting his type of guys here.

NBA > NCAA in Fred's mind. Everyone knew Fred was going to leave for the NBA at some point if he was successful at ISU. Delusional people think he was going to turn down NBA offers his entire life to coach here.

 

[WastedTalent]

There is a cap on the max number of hours teams can practice in college. There isn't in the NBA. And the absolute WORST game schedule you could have this time a year now that ISU has no more Big Monday games is 2 games in four days. There are many times in the NBA where they play 3 games in 4 days. Teams cannot afford to have healthy players sit out cause they don't feel like going.

Iowa St plays this Monday.

 

[CloneFan4]

If you never had Fred then you never would have had Georges. Think about that for a minute you stupid *****

Classy, mom.

 

[isucy86]

There is a cap on the max number of hours teams can practice in college. There isn't in the NBA. And the absolute WORST game schedule you could have this time a year now that ISU has no more Big Monday games is 2 games in four days. There are many times in the NBA where they play 3 games in 4 days. Teams cannot afford to have healthy players sit out cause they don't feel like going.

There is a cap on number of practice hours. But individual time watching film and shooting don't count. On top of that these guys and gals are going to class. Going to college alone can be a grind, add a full time job being a student athlete and the kids can get worn down.

 

[Cycl1]

You think he is OK with players who are expected to play in games skipping practice? I all ready responded to a similar post. Can you not read?

I've seen what u wrote. Didn't add much. Without knowing what kind of practices were skipped, or how they were skipped, meaning did he not run drills or a complete no show, it pretty much is useless guessing. But yeah, I am sure there are some form of practices that pop let's some of his players miss or not participate in. To think a coach who doesn't even bring his stars to some games to keep them healthy and rested would force the same people to do sprints or some other exhaustive drill the next practice is just stupid. Especially if they had a nagging injury.

 

[Spanky]

The McKay stuff here wasn't a problem last year with the fanbase; what'd y'all think "Fred runs practices pretty loose" meant?

Fred likes prunes? He went commando during practice?

 

[randomfan44]

There is a cap on number of practice hours. But individual time watching film and shooting don't count. On top of that these guys and gals are going to class. Going to college alone can be a grind, add a full time job being a student athlete and the kids can get worn down.

Just stop. There is no defense of a kid that is apparently clashing with his coach because the coach won't let him him skip as many practices as he wants. Everyone else on the team seems to be handling the grind. Maybe if going to college alone is so hard, McKay's mom could move to town and help out.

 

[randomfan44]

I've seen what u wrote. Didn't add much. Without knowing what kind of practices were skipped, or how they were skipped, meaning did he not run drills or a complete no show, it pretty much is useless guessing. But yeah, I am sure there are some form of practices that pop let's some of his players miss or not participate in. To think a coach who doesn't even bring his stars to some games to keep them healthy and rested would force the same people to do sprints or some other exhaustive drill the next practice is just stupid. Especially if they had a nagging injury.

Stop talking about Pop. Th NBA has nothing in common with college hoops other than the name of the sport.

 

[randomfan44]

Iowa St plays this Monday.

True. Didn't see the schedule but ISU gets the rare home and home with both a Saturday and Monday home game so McKay will have zero travel to deal with for an entire week and maybe a one hour practice on Sunday. So stressful...

 

[rholtgraves]

No where did it say Fred let people skip practice. sitting out practice is not skipping and yes despite what Tuco says players sit out practices in the NBA.

 

[Spanky]

Fred Hoiberg & Wayne Morgan > Steve Prohm & Greg McDoormat

If it takes the "inmates running the asylum" to play exciting winning post season making teams I don't care what you say that is the way to go...you all know the old adage that winning is 90% talent and 10% coaching. Good thing Prohm's contract is cheap but I'm not sure that the curmudgeons here can handle the right type of coach to win in today's college basketball. This isn't freaking Hoosiers anymore fellas.

Curmudgeons? CURMUDGEONS?!?
You dam whipper snapper, just because Fred personally provided the blow and blunts for the team doesn't mean Prohm should go soft on em too.

 

[Spanky]

If you never had Fred then you never would have had Georges. Think about that for a minute you stupid *****

Cat fight!

 

[NorthCyd]

I've seen what u wrote. Didn't add much. Without knowing what kind of practices were skipped, or how they were skipped, meaning did he not run drills or a complete no show, it pretty much is useless guessing. But yeah, I am sure there are some form of practices that pop let's some of his players miss or not participate in. To think a coach who doesn't even bring his stars to some games to keep them healthy and rested would force the same people to do sprints or some other exhaustive drill the next practice is just stupid. Especially if they had a nagging injury.

I'm going under the assumption that Jameel was skipping, or not showing up at all and Fred was OK with that. Not that he sat out drills because he needs the rest. Like I said in one of my other posts, Prohm said they don't even do much in the way of physical practice mid season. If some other coach is specifically mentioning it as the part of the issue I think it goes beyond sitting out drills because he's tired or hurt. Obviously we don't know if what he heard was accurate.

Regardless, the notion that Fred approached it like the NBA, which was my original point, is silly. It's a career for NBA players. They spend their whole day on basketball. It's not something they do in addition to being a student. They go in to the office every day and workout, rehab, watch film, do walkthroughs and whatever else they need to do. If they don't they won't be in the league for long. It's not something they do only when they feel like it, which is the impression I get when people say Fred ran practice like an NBA practice.

 

[Cbbtruth]

Simply amazing how we can take a Seth Davis article about the program and turn it into a Fred vs. Prohm debate in only 4-5 pages. So I'm confused still, is Fred the greatest thing to ever happen to us or did he screw us?

 

[Wesley]

There is a cap on the max number of hours teams can practice in college. There isn't in the NBA. And the absolute WORST game schedule you could have this time a year now that ISU has no more Big Monday games is 2 games in four days. There are many times in the NBA where they play 3 games in 4 days. Teams cannot afford to have healthy players sit out cause they don't feel like going.

You mean like Derrick Rose and Tim Duncan?

 

[Wesley]

Simply amazing how we can take a Seth Davis article about the program and turn it into a Fred vs. Prohm debate in only 4-5 pages. So I'm confused still, is Fred the greatest thing to ever happen to us or did he screw us?

He did both.

 

[bozclone]

It is really tough on a team to go through a coaching change. If Fred would have stayed, there is no doubt that we would have more depth and be a better team. The timing of Fred's move likely cost us the ability to add a quality transfer to this years team. However, if he would have announced his move to the NBA earlier, it is possible that someone on the current roster may have decided to transfer.

 

[CycloneBBFan]

The "Inmates Running The Asylum" are found on Cyclone Fanatic not the team. I don't think the bashers (minority) are a true representation of a fan base. They find their ounce of courage hiding anonymously behind a keyboard. Most wouldn't have the b*lls to post under a real name or to say the crap to the face of the coach much less the players.

 

[CycloneVet]

I would love to have an off-the-record conversation with hoiberg about the royce white year and how he managed guys like allen, white, booker and lucious (his redshirt year) at the same time. I've heard a few stories about white that definitely weren't flattering.

I have heard a few as well and they weren't really trying to talk Royce into coming back for another year.

 

[Cy$]

Classy, mom.

She's not wrong though.