Basabe - from New York
Cartwright - from California
Oglesby - from Iowa
Hubbard - from Virginia
White - from Ohio
Olaseni - from England
Meyer - from Georgia
I don't think Fran has any worries about turf wars.
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Basketball talent....
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Basabe - from New York
Cartwright - from California
Oglesby - from Iowa
Hubbard - from Virginia
White - from Ohio
Olaseni - from England
Meyer - from Georgia
I don't think Fran has any worries about turf wars.
I don't disagree that frannie will be ok. I don't know how much you can win at Iowa, and I don't know that he won't bolt for a better gig if he does have some success. That program is in a pretty deep hole, and it will take some time to get it going (all lip service aside). Plus it is a pretty tough sell on the recruiting trail right now. I read what the u fans are saying, but what will happen if they only win 14-15 games, and end up 10th in the fox 12? Will they be patient with frannie?
As far as Iowa State goes, we don't know how this team will be. One thing is for sure, there are more good players on this team than Iowa State has had in many years. I think the year that they spent practicing will show to be helpful. I think that it is possible that this group makes it to the NCAA. But I don't think that it is for certain.
I am curious what your strong opinions about both schools teams are. Please enlighten us....Should be stunning.
Iowa State is now at a full Big 12 type of roster and that's where the hope is coming in. The last time we had a full Big 12 roster was in 2005 which was also our last tourney appearance. As far as Iowa goes, they are not at a full Big 10 roster. They have some talented players, but they lack the proper depth. IMO, this season will be close to ISU's season last year. They be close in a lot of games, but they won't have the man power to win the tough ones down the stretch. They will continue to have this problem until they can fill out the roster.
Now, why on earth would you come over here to stir things up then?
I get the sense that you are the mental equivalent of some of the "special" people that come over to tell us how great the u's bb program is going to become under the great frannie.
I'm not sure how I've stirred things up. I've already stated what my purpose was. It that's not good enough for you, there's nothing I can do to change your mind anyway.
I would just have figured that a person that was so interested in opposing view points would be willing to offer their beliefs as well.
Seems more than a bit strange, but to each their own I guess.
I guess I will wait to see what you really think when someone on here posts the link that you will run off and post on one of the u boards making fun of the people that posted on your little thread here...
One guy from the east coast who spent four years in a federal penitentiary?
Iowa can have him...It gives the Hickeye lapdog press a great story of redemption....probably made into a TV movie when Hubbard finishes at age 29
LOL! whatever. ISU nabbed two guys COVETED by Iowa.....Nianng and Gibson
Fred is from Ames; Fran has deep roots on the east coast.
Who has the foothold out east between the two?
As a typical Iowa fan----you can't admit ISU is better at anything. We get it. You're a myopic, delusional fan of a school full of arrogant, ignorant fans.
Both programs are heading in the right direction. I happen to really like what ISU has going for at least the next two years (and beyond with additions of Niang and Gibson), but there's reason for iowa fans to be optimistic as well. Personally, I think iowa could have done without Hubbard, but nonetheless, he should be a solid contributor from day one.
The biggest concern I would have if I'm an iowa fan is the PG situation behind Cartwright. BC showed he can be a serviceable PG, but I really thought they needed to land a PG this spring. I know iowa pursued the kid that committed to Oklahoma State, but did Fran look at anyone else? I know Marble is slated to be the back up PG, but that kid plays much better off the ball and I don't think he's what iowa needs as a long term PG solution. Not saying he can't spell a few minutes here and there, but like I said, with his size and shot, I would want plays being run for him, not through him.
Everyone seems to agree that Basabe will be a force. He's active and puts up numbers. His production will only increase if iowa can find a 6'10"+ guy, or someone like Cole to do the dirty work on both ends of the floor and open things up for Basabe to operate in space. Brommer isn't that type of guy, but he's getting better.
Also, I didn't watch too many iowa games this year, but what happened to Eric May's production? He had a nice freshman year and it just seemed that he was completely phased out of Fran's offensive game plan by the end of last year. Was he hurt or was it just a matter of he wasn't getting looks or what?
Regardless, I think iowa will be better this year, but they still will probably be in the bottom to middle half of the league. The roster they have returning should put them at least ahead of Penn St. and on par or slightly better than Nebraska. Indiana is getting better and Northwestern still might have a little more overall, but not by much. I wouldn't be shocked one bit if iowa finished as high as 8th in the league. I think Ohio State, Wisconsin, Michigan State and Michigan look like the top of the league right now. Illinois, Purdue and Minnesota have some talent, but suffered some major losses (Illinois and Purdue especially).
The biggest concern I would have if I'm an iowa fan is the PG situation behind Cartwright. BC showed he can be a serviceable PG, but I really thought they needed to land a PG this spring. I know iowa pursued the kid that committed to Oklahoma State, but did Fran look at anyone else? I know Marble is slated to be the back up PG, but that kid plays much better off the ball and I don't think he's what iowa needs as a long term PG solution. Not saying he can't spell a few minutes here and there, but like I said, with his size and shot, I would want plays being run for him, not through him.
Everyone seems to agree that Basabe will be a force. He's active and puts up numbers. His production will only increase if iowa can find a 6'10"+ guy, or someone like Cole to do the dirty work on both ends of the floor and open things up for Basabe to operate in space. Brommer isn't that type of guy, but he's getting better.
Also, I didn't watch too many iowa games this year, but what happened to Eric May's production? He had a nice freshman year and it just seemed that he was completely phased out of Fran's offensive game plan by the end of last year. Was he hurt or was it just a matter of he wasn't getting looks or what?
Regardless, I think iowa will be better this year, but they still will probably be in the bottom to middle half of the league. The roster they have returning should put them at least ahead of Penn St. and on par or slightly better than Nebraska. Indiana is getting better and Northwestern still might have a little more overall, but not by much. I wouldn't be shocked one bit if iowa finished as high as 8th in the league. I think Ohio State, Wisconsin, Michigan State and Michigan look like the top of the league right now. Illinois, Purdue and Minnesota have some talent, but suffered some major losses (Illinois and Purdue especially).
No question, Niang was a recruit that Fran wanted. There were many Hawkeye fans that wanted Iowa to land Percy Gibson. I'm not so sure Fran was as high on him. Can you show me anything that proves Iowa had an offer out to Gibson?
I understand that you are trying to hurt my feelings about Niang and Gibson, but the fact remains that there are many good recruits out there to be had. Iowa already has a 2012 commit in Kyle Meyer that's rated as high as Niang.
Fran is recruiting good basketball players to Iowa. There's nothing to worry about for Hawkeye fans.
The Cyclone basketball team will be a good group and I see them tearing through the non-conference schedule. I think that any chemistry problems may appear as the schedule stiffens as they enter conference play. That will be the time where the Cyclones have an opportunity to find an identity and go on a strong NCAA run or they may go the other way and just limp to another season where they fall short. This is where the loss of Coach Lutz may really be felt.
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I disagree with you. You probably didn't follow Iowa much this season, and understandably so. But Iowa lost eight games by six or less points last season. They were leading late in the 2nd half against Ohio St, Wisconsin, Michigan, and Michigan St. but could not hold on for the victory. With the improved depth from last year, and a likely down year for the Big Ten, at least some of those close losses will turn into wins.
what? make a strong run to the NCAA or limp to a season that falls short?
This is exactly the reason I was hesitant to share my view on the Cyclones. For one thing, it doesn't really matter in this forum. Additionally, any thing short of cardinal and gold glasses glowing optimism is viewed as a slight. Thanks to everyone who was willing to have reasonable conversation in this thread.
Fair enough, but like I said, I see a season close to ISU's next season. Somewhere around 16 wins. Iowa has some nice players, but they still don't have the firepower, IMO. This is obviously why games aren't played on paper.
That's a logical line of thinking. However, I'm curious to see how Cole's absence affects the team. If we had Cole this year, I'd buy what you're selling 100%. But he was really the glue, the heart and soul of the team. Even when he wasn't putting up numbers, it was obvious that the team looked to him for leadership, and he provided that time and again.
Ah but your approach was what led him to perceive that your strong opinions were of the typical u fan.
Look, both programs have been ****. And Fred took in all of these guys with the idea that he could win in the first couple years, and that would help recruiting. The nice part is that he has received commitments from kids that they targeted early. That says that the message is getting across, and that leads to the realistic optimism that many of us have.
Now both fanbases have their nut jobs that think that these teams are going to be better than what is realistic before we even see them play. I found it humorous to say the least that you plead the 5th, but when somebody said something negative about frannies recruiting, you jumped right up to defend your boy.
But on your boards Niang was a competition between the two coaches, and he chose Fred. Of course it is a natural reaction to downplay the disappointment, but frannie worked hard on Georges. Had he picked the bad guys, he would have been a benchmark recruit for frannie.
I agree Lutz was a loss for this program, but Fred is a smart basketball mind, and he has spent the last 5 years preparing for this opportunity. Knowing what you know about Fred Hoiberg, do you honestly think that he didn't have a plan coming into this?
As far as the fox 12 being down, and that helping the u, I would agree to a point. The fact of the matter is that how many teams really took the u seriously last year. Iowa State is in the same boat. They got nobody's best shot, and having watched some of the games that wartburg wannabe was talking about....Those teams did enough to get by when they weren't at their best. The same thing happened with KU when they played in Hilton, as well as Mizzu and K State.
Look at that, CANDOR. A truly foreign concept to "people" like you.
Um the transfers have had a year to build chemistry with the team, pretty sure they are okay in that aspect. Keep dreaming that ISU is going to fail.
So they've built enough chemistry to handle all opponents and all situations? I suspect the Cyclones will beat many inferior opponents by sheer talent alone. When they are forced to play NCAA tournament caliber opponents, then they may have to readjust the way they play ball to get the job done. That may very well reflect on how well the team can play together which is chemistry related.
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