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Outside of Wilson at Arkanas I'm not sure if there is one single QB currently in the SEC that will make an NFL roster. On the contrary the Big 12 has at least four current QB's that will likely be drafted.

Alabama might have absolutely crushed OSU...I can envision a situation where OSU can't get stops and gets off to a slow start. However, there is no chance that Alabama could have held OSU to less than 300 yards of offense. OSU has way too many weapons for a defense to consistently stop them. OSU can certainly find ways to stop themselves via turnovers but outside of the ISU game that never hurt them.
 
JUKEBOX said:
For the most part, the majority of the SEC is one dimensional. All you have to do is stop the run on defense. I think OSU would have some relative success doing that (not perfect but good enough).

As the past has shown, the SEC always produces great defensive lines. However, if you have a great quarterback and receivers who can catch, SEC stands no chance (Boise State, Utah, Texas with Colt McCoy, etc.). Oklahoma State has a great quarterback and receivers who are superstars.
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The idea that Alabama "stands no chance" against any passing attack is delusional..if you really believe that then bama playing lsu was best case scenario because you can keep on believing this. Georgia is your main example? They used the softest schedule in the SEC to get to the championship and got blown out by LSU...Boise was a lot less convincing over them than LSU..not sure I get the connection. Watch Georgia's defense and watch bamas..they are not the same. This is not a conference thing..use your eyes.
 
Here is my beef with what happened last night.

The powers that be in CFB, consistently state that what makes CFB great is that the regular season matters, well apparently it doesn't anymore. Alabama just one the National title in both polls that count, by not winning their division, and not winning their conference. If the regular season is supposed to count how can a team that didn't win their conference be in the championship game. Now if you have a playoff and a team that doesn't win their conference wins it that is completely different. While a playoff may diminish what the regular season means, it would be like two different seasons, to the CFB year.

OSU might not beat either Alabama or LSU but they deserved a shot at playing for the championship, currently their regular season was meaningless as well.
 
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isuchicago said:
The idea that Alabama "stands no chance" against any passing attack is delusional..if you really believe that then bama playing lsu was best case scenario because you can keep on believing this. Georgia is your main example? They used the softest schedule in the SEC to get to the championship and got blown out by LSU...Boise was a lot less convincing over them than LSU..not sure I get the connection. Watch Georgia's defense and watch bamas..they are not the same. This is not a conference thing..use your eyes.
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Ah, the "eye-test." What a credible argument Mr. ESPN.

Utah kicked Bama's *** in the Sugar bowl. Using your "eyes" would you have been able to see that coming?

Using my eyes, I thought ISU would beat Rutgers, OSU would beat ISU, OSU would destroy Stanford, etc. Doesn't work that way.
 
isuchicago said:
I don't see why it has to become a big 12 vs SEC thing..just watching them play, I can't think of a single team in any conference that comes close to the defense bama put together..probably in quite a few years. Has nothing to do with the competition.

Also thought last night was a good example of why the option doesn't work in the NFL. LSU should have given up on it. I don't think it worked once.
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LSU also never came close to running it properly...
 
This is one of the main reasons that I am a proponent of the Plus One/4 team playoff system.

It guarantees that both teams in the NCG have played and beaten a top 4 team. Noone would be able to get to the championships playing a cake schedule (cough Boise State cough).

Also, with 4 teams in contention you would have influence from more than one conference. Right now Bamas strength of schedule comes solely from playing SEC offense against SEC defenses. They didn't play anyone of substance in the non-con (no Penn State was not good). If they had to play a top 4 Big12 or Pac12 team to get into the NCG that would make them more legitimate. You would see how their D matches up to a top offense.

The regular season would also still matter quite a bit because it is really tough to be in the top 4 if you don't have a great season. Yes there would be gripes from 5-8 saying they should have made it but at least 4 teams got a legitimate shot.

I would like to see a conference championship requirement, but I doubt that would happen. Unfortunately, many will still vote a team like Bama into the top 4 even if they don't win their conference. Heck, Stanford didn't win their conference either.

Still, I think it makes it much more legitimate if the NCG teams were forced to at least play another top 4 team to earn the shot at the championship.
 
isuchicago said:
I don't see why it has to become a big 12 vs SEC thing..just watching them play, I can't think of a single team in any conference that comes close to the defense bama put together..probably in quite a few years. Has nothing to do with the competition.

Also thought last night was a good example of why the option doesn't work in the NFL. LSU should have given up on it. I don't think it worked once.
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A defense they got to put together over 44 days, that had to stop one of the least imaginative offenses ever conceived for a BCS title game. Don't get me wrong what Alabama did last night was impressive, but don't make that defense out to be the greatest thing since sliced bread, how many great offenses did they see this year? I would say one, in Arkansas, they gave up 14 points to it.

Other than that they didn't play anyone with an offense that would be in the top half of the Big 12, or probably the Pac 12.
 
boone7247 said:
Here is my beef with what happened last night.

The powers that be in CFB, consistently state that what makes CFB great is that the regular season matters, well apparently it doesn't anymore. Alabama just one the National title in both polls that count, by not winning their division, and not winning their conference. If the regular season is supposed to count how can a team that didn't win their conference be in the championship game. Now if you have a playoff and a team that doesn't win their conference wins it that is completely different. While a playoff may diminish what the regular season means, it would be like two different seasons, to the CFB year.

OSU might not beat either Alabama or LSU but they deserved a shot at playing for the championship, currently their regular season was meaningless as well.
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I still believe a lot of this comes down to these teams being in the SEC and the love that the media has for that Conference. I do believe there were 2 good teams that played last night. but I really don't see them being that far above anyone else's top teams this year. I know everyone hangs this on the D, but I'm sorry, you don't deserve to be thought of as the #1 team in the country if you can't even get points on the board. It could be my hate for all the SEC love that's been thrown around the last few years, but I'm sorry, the rest of the countries top teams have cought up to them.

But it's this imaginary talent, speed and strength advantage they have over the rest of the country that gets them both in. It's literally a case of no one else deserves it because the SEC is so awesome. Hell, I heard arguments about how Bama deserved a rematch even before we beat OK. St. Their offenses suck as much as their defenses are great.
 
cyhiphopp said:
This is one of the main reasons that I am a proponent of the Plus One/4 team playoff system.

It guarantees that both teams in the NCG have played and beaten a top 4 team. Noone would be able to get to the championships playing a cake schedule (cough Boise State cough).
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Had never heard this point, but it's a darn good one.
 
chuckd4735 said:
How can you say that right now Bama = LSU? Bama just man handled LSU LAST NIGHT! I'm not going to get into the arguments of who deserved to play last night, but it is fact that 1) Bama played a football game last night against LSU and 2) Bama won that game, so as of right now, Bama would be better than LSU. On November 5, LSU was better, on January 9, Bama was better. Also, Bama's D would of given Oklahoma State fits last night, and their offense would have scored more than 21 points on Oklahoma States defense.
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Shouldn't the timing of the win be irrelevant since the national champion is crowned via poll results and not a play-off? All I see is 3 one loss teams that played similarly tough schedules.
 
boone7247 said:
A defense they got to put together over 44 days, that had to stop one of the least imaginative offenses ever conceived for a BCS title game. Don't get me wrong what Alabama did last night was impressive, but don't make that defense out to be the greatest thing since sliced bread, how many great offenses did they see this year? I would say one, in Arkansas, they gave up 14 points to it.

Other than that they didn't play anyone with an offense that would be in the top half of the Big 12, or probably the Pac 12.
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You really believe this was put together in the 44 days of prep time?? This is the result of bringing back 10 starters on a defense that was already damn good last year. They did very well in that bowl too. 49-7 over michigan state. This wasn't just last night. This defense has been amazing all year. Keeping 7 teams under 7 pts is ridiculous. Lets not pretend this just happened last night. They are great at every defensive position. Having DBs that are 6'3 and 6'2 with that kind of speed in a nice perk. Great linebackers and a great d-line.

If you don't like them getting in, thats fine.. but come on.. give credit where credit is due.
 
Alabama didn't lose to Iowa State. Their only loss was a 3 point OT loss to the #1 team in the country at the time.

Alabama's D > OSU's O
Alabama's O > OSU's D

Alabama also played in the toughest conference in the country.
 
AllIowaTeams said:
Alabama also played in the toughest conference in the country.
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False.

Sagarin mean rating of big 12:83.61
Sagarin mean rating of SEC: 80.88

Outside off the top couple teams, the SEC really drops off after that. OSU's SOS was #3, Alabama's 15.

And its not just about who you lost to, but who you beat. Sure, they lost to ISU, on a short week on the road, but OSU's resume of wins was superior to Alabama's at the end of the season. Plus (and the real thing that shouldve made this a moot discussion), Alabama didnt even win its own division, much less conference.

Additionally, looking at the ratings, Alabama had won against 2 top 20 teams: Arkansas and South Carolina.
Oklahoma beat 6.
 
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alarson said:
False.

Sagarin mean rating of big 12:83.61
Sagarin mean rating of SEC: 80.88

Outside off the top couple teams, the SEC really drops off after that.

And its not just about who you lost to, but who you beat. Sure, they lost to ISU, on a short week on the road, but OSU's resume of wins was superior to Alabama's at the end of the season. Plus (and the real thing that shouldve made this a moot discussion), Alabama didnt even win its own division, much less conference.
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Sagarin is like using John Hollinger's PER ratings to determine who the best NBA player is. RPI is what matters.

RealTimeRPI.com College Football Power Ratings, Analysis, and Predictions - A leading sports ratings and resources community on the Internet

SEC numero uno.

Edit: Furthermore, Alabama's best conference win was Arkansas. OSU's best conference win was Kansas State. And, ya know, Alabama shut out the #1 team in the country when it mattered most.
 
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AllIowaTeams said:
Alabama didn't lose to Iowa State. Their only loss was a 3 point OT loss to the #1 team in the country at the time.

Alabama's D > OSU's O
Alabama's O > OSU's D

Alabama also played in the toughest conference in the country.
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All of this is based off what? Your eye test? HA!
 
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