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Athletic Article on Pac-10 Play for Pac-16

clonedude said:
As it all turned out... the Big 12 has by far the best set up of any conference basically by being patient and doing nothing instead of panicking.

And we're still getting teams in the playoff, unlike the B1G. All these years the B1G was for a 4 team playoff, but now that they've been left out for a few years, I see in their media days they now want an 8 team playoff. How interesting it is that their views have changed. They also probably wish they never invited Maryland and Rutgers too.
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Maryland and Rutgers are objectively worse than ISU and WVU for a subscription based content model. Rutgers is less New York than NW is Chicago, and NW is basically nothing in Chicago. 15 years living about 10 miles from Evanston and I met one NW and three Illini fans. Probably close to 100 Michigan/MSU/Wisc/OSU fans in the same time frame not counting the times I found myself at a bar with 100s of them everywhere.

Nebraska is probably a good add for any past, present or future model. Much as I hate to admit it.
 
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SEIOWA CLONE said:
Put me in the category that conference expansion is over. With cord cutting the old thought of getting a new state and being able to charge everyone with cable or satellite tv a dollar a month is coming to an end. Teams like Rutgers and Maryland made sense under the old system. But with it going away and turning to streaming as the future. Size of the fan base becomes more important. How many fans will be willing and able to put up $10 bucks a month to stream the games. The days of the Big 10 squeezing $1.00 a month off grandma in CR, that could care less, is coming to an end.

A couple of years ago the Big 10 was talking about 70 to 80 million per team, those numbers are no longer mentioned.
Texas will never leave to join a conference that they have to share power with, and they have the LHN, which runs until 2031, ESPN will not allow them to move that programing to the Big 10, and they will never move to the SEC with aTm.
Why would OU move when they can get to the playoffs through the big 12?
The money is there, the power teams are happy, expansion is over unless something really changes in the future.
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Getting a real fan base still matters, at least for football. I'm not positive a real fanbase for basketball even matters or KU would be more of a prize.

Getting a TV market without a real fanbase matters less by the day.
 
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Acylum said:
I can easily see the b1g missing the playoffs again this season.
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Which will be good, the more times the Big 10 misses the playoff the greater the chance that the conference gets fed up and leads the charge to change the playoff to an 8 team playoff.
It should have been 8 from the start, right now we have nothing but an invitational, if you think otherwise, explain how TCU or Baylor were jumped by Ohio State 4 years ago.
 
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SEIOWA CLONE said:
A couple of years ago the Big 10 was talking about 70 to 80 million per team, those numbers are no longer mentioned.
Texas will never leave to join a conference that they have to share power with, and they have the LHN, which runs until 2031, ESPN will not allow them to move that programing to the Big 10, and they will never move to the SEC with aTm.
Why would OU move when they can get to the playoffs through the big 12?
The money is there, the power teams are happy, expansion is over unless something really changes in the future.
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Who was talking about $70-$80 mill per team? I never saw that. Link? I remember all the talk being about the new TV deal delivering well over $50 mill per team which at the time was unheard of but is what's happened with full-time members hitting $54 million in 2018. B1G pulled in $759 million in 2018, SEC was second best at $660 million with $44 million per school.
 
HFCS said:
Getting a real fan base still matters, at least for football. I'm not positive a real fanbase for basketball even matters or KU would be more of a prize.

Getting a TV market without a real fanbase matters less by the day.
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KU is the 3rd most valuable franchise in the league. For the little it brings in football, it more than makes up for it in BB. They are also an AAU school, if the league folded, KU will find a seat in a P5 league.
 
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weR138 said:
I just don't see UT ever leaving the Big 12...especially if they win the conference this season like Chris Williams predicted. The competition is good and they can schedule marquee matchups OOC which they are doing.

During the next round of realignment if there's a way to make it financially feasible the big 12 should make a run at Methzoo and Arkansas or the AZ schools; something to get us back to 12 teams and 2 divisions.
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All for the zona schools or Arkansas. Screw Missouri though
 
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Gonzo said:
Who was talking about $70-$80 mill per team? I never saw that. Link? I remember all the talk being about the new TV deal delivering well over $50 mill per team which at the time was unheard of but is what's happened with full-time members hitting $54 million in 2018. B1G pulled in $759 million in 2018, SEC was second best at $660 million with $44 million per school.
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There were many Big 10 media members pushing those numbers around, Miller and Deace being two. Listen to their pod casts from a few years ago.
The SEC will led all conferences when their new contract comes up, then when the Big 10 redos their deal they will move back ahead.
 
As much as I love realignment to be over. I’m afraid it isn’t over quite yet. There is a good reason OU decided to not put their tier 3 network with the rest of the big 12 schools outside of Texas. And there’s also a very good reason why OU tier 3 is with Fox same as the Big Ten. There are some pseudo-realignment experts that really truly believe that OU and KU are the next in line to be gobbled up by the Big Ten and courted by the Big Ten. I agree fully that OU best shot at making a national championship or making the playoffs is by being in the Big 12. And a big part of me has to think that OU is seeing the demise of Nebraska fball and it’s impact on leaving the big 12 but in the end one thing wins out: $$$.

The Big schools will make $50 million+ next 2-3 years with a brand new TV contract coming right around 2023/24..oddly around same time Big 12 GOR is up.

As it sits right now OU is still making about the same as BIG schools, however if new negotiations in big 12 contract come out with OU making $8-$10 mil or more per year less than BIG schools I could see OU bolt. Over 6-7 years talking $60-$70 million. That’s a ton.

So I’m really hoping the Big 12 can negotiate a premier deal this next time around or I could see the other 8 schools taking a little less than equal share in order to keep Tx and OU in the conference.
 
SEIOWA CLONE said:
There were many Big 10 media members pushing those numbers around, Miller and Deace being two. Listen to their pod casts from a few years ago.
The SEC will led all conferences when their new contract comes up, then when the Big 10 redos their deal they will move back ahead.
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I followed all of it pretty closely and never heard anything with $70-$80 million being discussed. Who all besides Miller and Deace? Links should still be out there.
 
Gonzo said:
I followed all of it pretty closely and never heard anything with $70-$80 million being discussed. Who all besides Miller and Deace? Links should still be out there.
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They were throwing out those numbers last year, talking about going to Georgia Tech and other schools and say, "here is what we can offer" and how every school that the league approached would jump.
That ship has now sailed, Rutgers and Maryland will become a drag on the conference with the new streaming system.
 
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SEIOWA CLONE said:
They were throwing out those numbers last year, talking about going to Georgia Tech and other schools and say, "here is what we can offer" and how every school that the league approached would jump.
That ship has now sailed, Rutgers and Maryland will become a drag on the conference with the new streaming system.
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Who was throwing it out those numbers last year? Just Miller and Deace? You said "a couple of years ago the Big 10 was talking about 70 to 80 million per team". I'm calling BS on that.
 
Beyerball said:
As much as I love realignment to be over. I’m afraid it isn’t over quite yet. There is a good reason OU decided to not put their tier 3 network with the rest of the big 12 schools outside of Texas. And there’s also a very good reason why OU tier 3 is with Fox same as the Big Ten. There are some pseudo-realignment experts that really truly believe that OU and KU are the next in line to be gobbled up by the Big Ten and courted by the Big Ten. I agree fully that OU best shot at making a national championship or making the playoffs is by being in the Big 12. And a big part of me has to think that OU is seeing the demise of Nebraska fball and it’s impact on leaving the big 12 but in the end one thing wins out: $$$.

The Big schools will make $50 million+ next 2-3 years with a brand new TV contract coming right around 2023/24..oddly around same time Big 12 GOR is up.

As it sits right now OU is still making about the same as BIG schools, however if new negotiations in big 12 contract come out with OU making $8-$10 mil or more per year less than BIG schools I could see OU bolt. Over 6-7 years talking $60-$70 million. That’s a ton.

So I’m really hoping the Big 12 can negotiate a premier deal this next time around or I could see the other 8 schools taking a little less than equal share in order to keep Tx and OU in the conference.
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OU is going to love playing games in Lansing in November.

OU and KU each have their respective "State" versions to deal with, however.

I know ISU and Iowa would happily strangle the other in their sleep, but it is my understanding those states' BoRs require them to look out for each other some more.
 
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