Arnaud vs. Stanzi
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Why, specifically? Arnaud couldn't get the ball in the end zone in multiple opportunites against Iowa, and Stanzi had 4 cracks from the 8 against the 'Cats at the end of the game.
Stanzi got stripped for a fumble/touchdown against the Illini, but also rallied the team to a tie before the Illini won it. I'm thinking a close parellel to that would be ISU's game @ UNLV.
You make a good point here. It is tough to speculate as to what Captain Kirks moves would have been with AA instead of Stanzi. Would he make the decision to go with the young gun sooner if AA was there? I think AA is that much more talented than Stanzi that it is very possible that KF dumps Jake sooner and permanently. Follow that up with AA making more plays than Stanzi did, and Iowa could have won more games in my opinion. Would AA have been talented enough to beat out Jake before the first game? Maybe. It's all speculation, but I think putting AA on a better team, showcases his talents that much more, and translates into wins. I also think that will happen to some extent this year for ISU. Even an upgrade from a horrible D to a bad D could mean a few more wins this year.
I think AA would have lead Iowa to more than 10(offensive) points vs Iowa State. Come to think of it, jake accounted for 7 of those. 
just trying to stick a barb in there. again 2 completely different situations with the 2. both schools should be happy to have what they do at QB.
just trying to stick a barb in there. again 2 completely different situations with the 2. both schools should be happy to have what they do at QB.
It had rained a ton in the Iowa/ISU game, making it difficult to throw. Also Arnaud had his receivers drop several sure TDs. Against Northwestern, the weather was perfect and Stanzi made some bad throws. This is a pretty big difference, imo. Call it an excuse, but it makes sense to me.
I'm really surprised by the Hawk fans here who would rather have Stanzi. At lot of Hawk fans I know in person think Arnaud is better. I know I would've rather had Shonn Greene than any of our running backs...
The receivers dropped sure touchdowns? I'm not sure that happened. And for the record, Arnaud spent most of his time failing in the much drier endzone.
As sick as it makes me to say it - all of them.
With the exception of Illinois, Iowa's losses were each ones that Iowa's final possession could have won the game for them. Arnaud showed with an obviously weaker offensive line and running game, as well as a receiving corps that you also claim is weaker, that he was capable of moving the ISU offense. If it is true that Iowa's offense has a better line, better RBs, and better receivers than ISU, than Iowa would have benefited more with Arnaud, someone who made an offense you claim "inferior" tick. And Illinois won that game on the final kick, but Iowa settled for 3 FGs in the first half. I would think at least one of those would be a TD if a quality QB were playing.
Now tell me - which one of ISU's losses would Stanzi have won for us if he were starting for us...
Exactly!
Compare how well the Iowa QB's threw in the ISU/Iowa game and how AA threw the ball. It has been well documented that the offensive playcalling for ISU in the red zone last season was horrendous, so I don't think that can all be placed on AA's shoulders. Combine that with ISU's lack of a running game, in field conditions that almost dictate running the ball, and I am personally very proud of the yardage produced by the ISU offense in that game. AA would have had more yards behind Iowa OL in that game than the Iowa QB's did. Period.
Tate was not just a caretaker, he was a playmaker. He carried that entire team to a Big Ten Championship his sophomore year. His runningback was freaking Sam Brownlee!
Colin Franklin dropped one. And there wasn't one part of the field that was dry. That field was soaking and the thickest field I have ever seen
It rained a lot in the days prior to the game, but I don't remember any rain falling while it was being played. I'm sure it was very humid, but it didn't rain.
Arnaud didn't have any problems throwing the ball that day. C'mon.
We'll take Stanzi because he works well in Iowa's offense, like Arnaud does in ISU's. Stanzi doesn't have to be spectacular for Iowa to have success - and besides from Banks and Tate, Iowa QB's under Ferentz have been anything but flashy.
It rained all morning, and didn't quit till at least halftime. It was light during the game, but raining none the less. There was standing water on the field, and the ball was slippery as hell. Also, it wasn't so much that the throwing problems were on Arnaud's end so much as the receivers hanging on. Collin Franklin dropped a sure TD. ISU's receivers had some major issues hanging onto catchable balls all year.
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It rained a TON that day...
Iowa game: 21/34, 224 yards, 0 TD, 2 INT
Season: 247/401, 2792 yards, 15 TD, 10 INT.
Looks to me like he struggled...
I would choose AA; however, I believe Stanzi will have a better year due to better supporting cast.
Take the Iowa game out, and Arnaud averaged 253.8 yards passing the rest of the year, so say 254.
Keep the Iowa game in, and it's 232.
Going by that, he wasn't much better the rest of the season, either.
This is a dumb argument... Arnaud had better numbers, with less help and more turmoil, IN A BETTER LEAGUE! Stanzi sucks. We'll prove that on Saturday, September 12th.