CycloneErik
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Would we win with Manning as a first-year college QB?
I don't remember much about his first year at Tennessee, so I'm extra-curious.
Arnaud vs. Stanzi
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Would we win with Manning as a first-year college QB?
I don't remember much about his first year at Tennessee, so I'm extra-curious.
More games? Yes. As many as Stanzi? No. Having Peyton Manning at the controls might have gotten us another win or two or three, but not seven more. Not with our defense. But Peyton Manning is still a better QB, even on an off day, than Stanzi will ever be.
CycloneErik
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It's really hard to judge the impact of a QB who's a strong leader on a team. Both offense and defense can rise to the occasion. Iowa players responded to Stanzi when he played and they won games. Arnaud showed some flashes of brilliance last year, and I'm hoping we will see a lot more this season with better coaching and a better offense. But you certainly can't take anything away from Stanzi's performance. He did what he had to do, and they won games. The W is the ultimate judge of any quarterback imo.
AA has the tools, now the question is can he get us to a bowl. If he doesn't show he can win, Tiller will be right on his heels. Stanzi is slow, misses some of his passes, and very good at handing the ball off. Just what the Hawkes need.
Re: Not worried about Stanzi because he likely
I didn't realize Iowa didn't practice this last fall. Wow, they made a bowl game and didn't practice at all. Amazing! LOL
And the person who said this was at every Iowa practice! LOL I guess you may need to go back to your cousin for the rumor he read on some message board.
Either way, Stanzi is not a good quarterback. Arguing otherwise just makes you look foolish.
I didn't realize Iowa didn't practice this last fall. Wow, they made a bowl game and didn't practice at all. Amazing! LOL
And the person who said this was at every Iowa practice! LOL I guess you may need to go back to your cousin for the rumor he read on some message board.
Either way, Stanzi is not a good quarterback. Arguing otherwise just makes you look foolish.
OH, and one more thing
Brad Banks is clearly better than Seneca Wallace. LOLOOOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLL
This is an almost identical argument. Wallace was a very good quarterback and Banks thrived in a system.
Arnaud is a good quarterback right now and Stanzi thrived in a system.
PS What happened to the great Drew Tate when the running game went south. Stanzi???? LOLOLOLO Please.
Brad Banks is clearly better than Seneca Wallace. LOLOOOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLL
This is an almost identical argument. Wallace was a very good quarterback and Banks thrived in a system.
Arnaud is a good quarterback right now and Stanzi thrived in a system.
PS What happened to the great Drew Tate when the running game went south. Stanzi???? LOLOLOLO Please.
Iowa fans are idiots. Plain and simple
They still think that Brad Banks is better than Seneca Wallace, even though one plays in the NFL while the other...wait what is Banks doing right now?
A better Oline, better RB, great TE's, and competant coaching can make a below average QB (Stanzi) look decent.
Arnaud had an ok line, poor running game, horrible coaching, and you can still tell that he is twice the QB that Stanzi is.
It's not even close
They still think that Brad Banks is better than Seneca Wallace, even though one plays in the NFL while the other...wait what is Banks doing right now?
A better Oline, better RB, great TE's, and competant coaching can make a below average QB (Stanzi) look decent.
Arnaud had an ok line, poor running game, horrible coaching, and you can still tell that he is twice the QB that Stanzi is.
It's not even close
While I agree 100% that Seneca > Banks, no contest; a post college career does not a great college player make. Troy Davis was a Heisman runner-up (which we all know he should've won) and had no NFL career. If Banks were in the NFL and Seneca was not, Seneca would still have been the better college QB.
This is not really a solid debate topic. Obviously both sets of fans for the most part are going to go with their guy, which is fine. My main problem is that these are two completely different quarterbacks. One is depended on to make plays often (Arnaud), whereas, the other (Stanzi) is depended on to manage the game.
I see a lot of guys saying hands down Arnaud is the better QB, and even D UP saying he's twice the QB Stanzi is. I just don't follow the logic, because again, they run two entirely different systems. ISU plays a more wide open attack whereas Iowa is a run first team. Of course Arnaud is going to throw for more yards.
How many games did Arnaud win? What bowl did he win? How many game-winning drives did he lead ISU on? (Let alone against a top 5 opponent)
I know it will come across as me talking trash, take it as you will, but you take Arnaud, I'll take Stanzi and let the results speak for themselves.
I see a lot of guys saying hands down Arnaud is the better QB, and even D UP saying he's twice the QB Stanzi is. I just don't follow the logic, because again, they run two entirely different systems. ISU plays a more wide open attack whereas Iowa is a run first team. Of course Arnaud is going to throw for more yards.
How many games did Arnaud win? What bowl did he win? How many game-winning drives did he lead ISU on? (Let alone against a top 5 opponent)
I know it will come across as me talking trash, take it as you will, but you take Arnaud, I'll take Stanzi and let the results speak for themselves.
Re: OH, and one more thing
1. I'll give you that. Stanzi is the typical Iowa system QB. He doesn't have to be flashy, or throw the ball on a rope. He has to manage the game. Nothing earth-shattering here, as it's been that way since Kirk took the job.
2. If you're talking about 2004 when the Hawks were down to their 5th string back by the midpoint of the year, all they did was win a share of the conference championship, and beat the defending national champs.
I've got a feeling that I'll be using your "I expect Stanzi to be replaced" drivel as my signature come the start of the season. You've got nothing to base it on, and I don't care what your "source" is.
1. I'll give you that. Stanzi is the typical Iowa system QB. He doesn't have to be flashy, or throw the ball on a rope. He has to manage the game. Nothing earth-shattering here, as it's been that way since Kirk took the job.
2. If you're talking about 2004 when the Hawks were down to their 5th string back by the midpoint of the year, all they did was win a share of the conference championship, and beat the defending national champs.
I've got a feeling that I'll be using your "I expect Stanzi to be replaced" drivel as my signature come the start of the season. You've got nothing to base it on, and I don't care what your "source" is.
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If Stanzi sucked in practice last fall, then why did Kirk keep running him out there every Saturday? Maybe it had something to do with him beating out Jake for the job, color me crazy.
CycloneErik
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Re: OH, and one more thing
After week 2, you probably won't be doing a lot of trash-talking. It'll be more of a one-way Cyclone delivery zone.:wink:
After week 2, you probably won't be doing a lot of trash-talking. It'll be more of a one-way Cyclone delivery zone.:wink:
Why do Hawk fans get offended
when someone points out one of their players is not great when he clearly isn't?
The other quarterback was redshirting and I guess they didn't want to pull it.
If you knew the source, you would care.
BTW I didn't like hearing this. I would much prefer Stanzi to remain at quarterback. I am also not sure how saying Iowa has a better quarterback that will likely replace Stanzi is a bad thing for Hawk fans.
when someone points out one of their players is not great when he clearly isn't?
The other quarterback was redshirting and I guess they didn't want to pull it.
If you knew the source, you would care.
BTW I didn't like hearing this. I would much prefer Stanzi to remain at quarterback. I am also not sure how saying Iowa has a better quarterback that will likely replace Stanzi is a bad thing for Hawk fans.