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Arnaud vs. Meyer

LeBron said:
Meyer led the team to 7 wins, a bowl game, and 1 game of the big 12 championship
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Yeah. Meyer also had the 29th ranked defense in the nation behind him. Arnaud had the 108th ranked defense going into today. And we likely dropped a few more spots today. We allowed 21 points a game in 2004 and 35 points a game this year. Meyer also had a 1000 yard rusher on his team. We actually averaged 4 more points a game on offense this season than we did in 2004....
 
AnkenyCy24 said:
Yeah. Meyer also had the 29th ranked defense in the nation behind him. Arnaud had the 108th ranked defense going into today. And we likely dropped a few more spots today. We allowed 21 points a game in 2004 and 35 points a game this year. Meyer also had a 1000 yard rusher on his team. We actually averaged 4 more points a game on offense this season than we did in 2004....
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Hicks got 1000 yds in 04, not 05
 
cowboycurtis said:
I like arnaud alot but 3 or 4 of his picks looked like he threw to the defender on purpose. Right in the guys chest. I am not sure what he is thinking on some of those throws but hopefully those throws become few and far between as he gets older.
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You called it right on some of AA's picks. He even had a couple plays today when he scrambled out of trouble and then forced a pass into double of triple coverage, to the primary receiver. This is real frustrating because we have seen opposing QB scramble out of trouble from an ISU blitz and find the wide open guy 10 yards down field nearly every time. If you get blitzed and get away, you have to find the open guy and make the throw, make them pay for blitzing. Don't want to blame a lot of the problems on AA, the defense was horrifying again today. Can we at least get a new DB coach?:mask:
 
CyCloned said:
You called it right on some of AA's picks. He even had a couple plays today when he scrambled out of trouble and then forced a pass into double of triple coverage, to the primary receiver. This is real frustrating because we have seen opposing QB scramble out of trouble from an ISU blitz and find the wide open guy 10 yards down field nearly every time. If you get blitzed and get away, you have to find the open guy and make the throw, make them pay for blitzing. Don't want to blame a lot of the problems on AA, the defense was horrifying again today. Can we at least get a new DB coach?:mask:
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Defense? What defense? Jim Mora...
 
It is like comparing a quarterback draw to a four yard passer, neither one quite made it work....
 
LeBron said:
Hicks got 1000 yds in 04, not 05
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You're correct. I accidentally grabbed the 2004 stats for Stevie and for the team. That was Stevie's injury plagued season (well, one of them). The defense was actually 20th overall that season and only allowed 19 points a game. I'd say if anybody, they lead the team to 7 wins and a bowl game. Though, Bret had a great year. His best by far as a Cyclone. And Arnaud's was just about as good this season. Hopefully, he builds on this season's success and has a break-out season next year...
 
AA has a much better touch than Meyer. I look to a couple of games last year. Meyer couldn't complete a long pass to save his life (except for the Iowa game). Arnaud had several nice deep passes last year and this year.
 
I don't see AA as a deep ball threat. He missed too many open guys and never seemed to get enough air under the ball to let the receiver get to it. As for locking into his primary receiver that may be the receivers' fault. If they are not getting open he doesn't have anyone to pass to. Experience should help there. One thing that AA has that Meyer didn't was a guy behind him pushing him. I hope that Tiller is much better than Love was and AA feels that pressure to perform every day and not get complacent. AA should also benefit from a better line and more running production next year. His passing stats may go down but the offense as a whole should be better.
 
AA has far better fundamentals - even a blind man could tell ya that. ;)

I'll say this much though - I remember all the hype after Meyer's sophomore season and what people expected from that '06 season. We all know how it actually turned out.

I don't see it happening with AA and the '09 offense - but our defense holds the keys on how good/bad we'll be next year.
 
ISUFan22 said:
AA has far better fundamentals - even a blind man could tell ya that. ;)

I'll say this much though - I remember all the hype after Meyer's sophomore season and what people expected from that '06 season. We all know how it actually turned out.

I don't see it happening with AA and the '09 offense - but our defense holds the keys on how good/bad we'll be next year.
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I agree with this 100%. I don't think there is any way the offense will regress. I think we'll have a very good offense next year. Unfortunately, our defense will still be god-awful, and that will keep us from really improving, record wise.
 
When AA ends at ISU, I don't think we will be compairing him with BM. I think we will be asking if he was the better ever at ISU. The mistakes he makes is when he is trying to make something happen. He will get better, not start to elim those. We are in good shape at QB.
 
bstegs said:
AA has a much better touch than Meyer. I look to a couple of games last year. Meyer couldn't complete a long pass to save his life (except for the Iowa game). Arnaud had several nice deep passes last year and this year.
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Meyer had a couple of very nice deep balls against Colorado last year in that great comeback.

I agree with others, Meyer had a good long ball. I wonder if that was a product of a weaker arm, where he had to loft the ball higher in the air and his receiver had more time to adjust to it. AA seems to have a much stronger arm and doesn't quite have the touch yet on the deep balls.
 
I don't think we saw AA throw the deep ball enough to judge him on it. I was really disappointed that we didn't open up the playbook for AA more this year.
 
Rick said:
I don't see AA as a deep ball threat. He missed too many open guys and never seemed to get enough air under the ball to let the receiver get to it. As for locking into his primary receiver that may be the receivers' fault. If they are not getting open he doesn't have anyone to pass to. Experience should help there. One thing that AA has that Meyer didn't was a guy behind him pushing him. I hope that Tiller is much better than Love was and AA feels that pressure to perform every day and not get complacent. AA should also benefit from a better line and more running production next year. His passing stats may go down but the offense as a whole should be better.
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I suppose that depends on what you call a deep ball? Yesterday AA had some very nice completions over 20 yards, especially to the TE. I would call those deep balls. If you call a deep ball over 30 or 40 then no he didn't. But then again how many QBs actually complete many of those? If he was chucking it that long all the time this site would be going crazy about the bad play selection.
 
The one thing I really like about Arnaud is the way he steps back into the pocket to throw. Meyer used to scramble alot when he didn't have to...
 
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