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aeroclone said:
Seton Hall has made the dance 3 times since 2000, they have advanced past the opening weekend once. Auburn has 4 tourney appearances since 2000, with last year's final 4 run as their only trip past the opening weekend.

Iowa has 7 appearances in that span, but no trips beyond the first weekend.

I would say those schools are very much in the same tier.

Maryland has 12 bids with 4 runs beyond the same weekend. Probably on a higher tier, but not quite elite.

ISU for reference has 10 bids and 3 trips beyond opening weekend. Considering that time span covers the dark years of Morgan and McD, we compare pretty favorably to all these programs.
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You didn't click the link did you.

Lets just focus on the time when these recruits were growing up and actually playing basketball, and not during the time when the kids were watching The Wiggles, Dora and other such things..

The last 10 years
Notre Dame 7 NCAA
VCU 8 NCAA appearances 1 final 4
Wichita State 7 NCAA appearances 1 Final 4
KSU 7 NCAA Appearance

Seton Hall 4 NCAA Appearance, all in the last 4 years


So if teams are consistently making the tourney year in and year out they are mid level teams?

STEP 5: Take a day and also re-evaluate your scoring system of what a good college basketball program is.

Mid-Level =NIT, show up for the tourney every 3 years or so
Good to Very Good- consistently in the tourney and will advance some years

Is the guy a 5 star, no, but the schools on the list are not trash
 
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aeroclone said:
I would say Tyrese was stronger for a ranking than offers. Tyrese didn't have a great offer list. Minny, Nebby, and Cincy for majors. Was just outside the top 150 for rankings though.
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July 30th, 2017 we offered him. He was rated #282 July 31st, 2017 (his first ranking indicated on the history of his 247 ranking). A month an a half later he got his first true evaluation on 247, and was consistently around where he ended from then on.

It is almost the same type of circumstances here. I would expect something similar for Dubar.
 
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Knownothing said:
We have an all name team for sure

Tyrese Haliburton
Rasir Bolton
Prentis Nixon
Zion Griffin
Darlingstone Dubar
Xavier Foster
Caleb Grill
Solomon Young
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Don't forget Tre Jackson that has one of the quickest releases since Naz was here. Tre is a perfect name for a guy like that.
 
aeroclone said:
Seton Hall has made the dance 3 times since 2000, they have advanced past the opening weekend once. Auburn has 4 tourney appearances since 2000, with last year's final 4 run as their only trip past the opening weekend.

Iowa has 7 appearances in that span, but no trips beyond the first weekend.

I would say those schools are very much in the same tier.

Maryland has 12 bids with 4 runs beyond the same weekend. Probably on a higher tier, but not quite elite.

ISU for reference has 10 bids and 3 trips beyond opening weekend. Considering that time span covers the dark years of Morgan and McD, we compare pretty favorably to all these programs.
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I don't know the coaching history since 2000 for all of these schools, but given last year results and preseason rankings for this year:
Maryland #6
Seaton Hall: #12
Auburn: #16

I would say that is pretty good company.

I liked the games of both LA & Leech and hate to see them go before the start of the season, but I'd say this is a safe replacement for Leech. Probably doesn't have as high of a ceiling, but is less of a risk considering his injury. If we land XF on Monday, i would say we got an immediate uptake from this transaction 2 for 2.
 
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aeroclone said:
So as a casual recruiting follower why should I be excited about a 3 star recruit rated just inside the top 400 with a couple offers from mid tier P5 programs? On paper this guy looks like the next future transfer to leave without impacting the program.
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Because when Auburn, K state, Seton Hall, Marquette, Wichita State were involved, that's why. Also, WVU probably was going to offer soon as well.
 
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fsanford said:
You didn't click the link did you.

Lets just focus on the time when these recruits were growing up and actually playing basketball, and not during the time when the kids were watching The Wiggles, Dora and other such things..

The last 10 years
Notre Dame 7 NCAA
VCU 8 NCAA appearances 1 final 4
Wichita State 7 NCAA appearances 1 Final 4
KSU 7 NCAA Appearance

Seton Hall 4 NCAA Appearance, all in the last 4 years


So if teams are consistently making the tourney year in and year out they are mid level teams?

STEP 5: Take a day and also re-evaluate your scoring system of what a good college basketball program is.

Mid-Level =NIT, show up for the tourney every 3 years or so
Good to Very Good- consistently in the tourney and will advance some years

Is the guy a 5 star, no, but the schools on the list are not trash
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He definitely did some picking and choosing here to make his point...and a push for Iowa too as being mid-tier...strange. I'd put all of the above programs in the top 15 to 30 teams...no elites like Duke, Michigan State, Kansas, Kentucky, etc., but still perennial teams making the dance. This is a solid recruit that has nice potential to grow in Prohm's system and be a significant contributor...I'll take that.
 
aeroclone said:
So as a casual recruiting follower why should I be excited about a 3 star recruit rated just inside the top 400 with a couple offers from mid tier P5 programs? On paper this guy looks like the next future transfer to leave without impacting the program.
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Wasn't Haliburton only a 3 star??
 
aeroclone said:
Why?
I hope he turns out to be a great Clone, but I just don't see much reason to get excited today. This just looks like another dime a dozen signing for a major conference hoops program.
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Aero, I hope you turn out to be a great Cyclone someday too. I think that would be even more exciting....o_O Welcome the lad.
 
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I am pro Coach Prohm. (Seems I need to say that for some reason.)I trust Coach more than 247 comp ratings.

However, it seems there are two approaches to recruits signing: A) Get over-excited for everyone that signs as a cyclone. B) Be happy we have a new cyclone, but save excitement for guys at least rated in the top half of our recent recruits.

I welcome Dubar and hope to see him turn out to be another Naz Mitrou-Long. However, I'll reserve my "And boom goes the dynamite!" for when Foster signs.

0.9869 Lindell Wigginton
0.9805 Talen Horton-Tucker
0.9782 Matt Thomas
0.9741 Georges Niang
0.9633 Monte Morris
0.9382 Zion Griffin
0.9287 Terrence Lewis
0.9253 Dudley Blackwell
0.9240 Jakolby Long
0.9148 Tyrese Haliburton
0.9111 Caleb Grill
0.9100 Donovan Jackson
0.9056 Nick Noskowiak
0.9041 Clayton Custer
0.9037 Cameron Lard

0.8921 Rasir Bolton
0.8918 Sherron Dorsey-Walker
0.8906 Tre Jackson
0.8895 Luke Anderson
0.8764 Marcedus Leech
0.8743 Jaden Walker
0.8681 George Conditt
0.8648 Solomon Young
0.8638 Prentis Nixon
0.8556 Darlinstone Dubar
0.8385 Simeon Carter
0.8304 Brady Ernst
0.8111 Naz Mitrou-Long
 
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srjclone said:
July 30th, 2017 we offered him. He was rated #282 July 31st, 2017 (his first ranking indicated on the history of his 247 ranking). A month an a half later he got his first true evaluation on 247, and was consistently around where he ended from then on.

It is almost the same type of circumstances here. I would expect something similar for Dubar.
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Thanks, this is what I'm curious about. I don't follow the details of our recruiting every step of the way. If he jumps 100 spots in the rankings as did Tyrese, I would feel much better about the signing.
 
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Feels like a good sign for those predicting Foster and one other coming in for the reason why 2 players defected
 
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