Alec Baldwin indicted

[alarson]

Agree but the sounds of it they hired a person who was not very experienced and Baldwin is the head of the production company. So I guess he is partially responsible as well. Both him and the prop person/armorer should be held liable in some way

Oh absolutely. But that would be more of a civil matter, not a criminal matter.

 

[Gorm]

Say goodbye to every action movie if he is convicted. Why would any actor take the risk of holding a gun on set?

Insurance rates will skyrocket for sure.

 

[Cyclonepride]

The person that should be (and has been) in trouble for it is the armorer on set who was responsible for the safety of weapons on set.

Yeah, I don't get how he would be indicted unless he specifically changed something.

 

[ruxCYtable]

I don't like Alec Baldwin as a human, but this does not make sense to me. He had every reason to believe the gun had been properly prepared by the prop master. It was a terrible tragedy, but I don't think anything criminal occurred.

 

[houjix]

Say goodbye to every action movie if he is convicted. Why would any actor take the risk of holding a gun on set?

Many big productions are already going to fake guns and using CGI. They don't want the liability.

 

[ianoconnor]

I'm not suggesting they should escape liability either. I hope they get indicted as well. But I also can understand the thought behind it being the resposibility of the person with the weapon to use it safely, even if you are in a movie. I don't know why that would absolve you of the same liability you'd have when not on a movie set.

It was supposed to be a safe prop weapon - which I'm assuming Alec has been around and used several times before. The actors are there to act, not be armory experts.

 

[ruxCYtable]

Say goodbye to every action movie if he is convicted. Why would any actor take the risk of holding a gun on set?

I've heard some productions have already started using "green" weapons that can be replaced on screen by CGI. With today's tech, I really don't think anything is going to change significantly from the viewer's perspective, but I'm no jenius.

 

[Tre4ISU]

I disagree because if I am an ACTOR why should I even have to question if a prop gun I am using in a scene is live. It should NEVER be live.

Because it's a gun.

 

[JM4CY]

I would be shocked if he ends up in prison for any length of time.

 

[Sigmapolis]

I'm sure this thread won't turn political.

Bigly.

 

[CYEATHAWK]

I've heard some productions have already started using "green" weapons that can be replaced on screen by CGI. With today's tech, I really don't think anything is going to change significantly from the viewer' perspective, but I'm no jenius.

Why get that deep? In the spoof on Rambo, Charlie Sheen grabbed a handful of bullets, threw them at the bad guys and hit every one.

 

[CyCrazy]

This will go nowhere.

 

[LarryISU]

Couldn't all weapons in all movies be CGI nowadays? Problem solved?

 

[Sigmapolis]

Couldn't all weapons in all movies be CGI nowadays? Problem solved?

CGI isn't quite photo-realistic yet.

I thought standard procedure nowadays was that prop guns were indeed props and had no ammunition (even including blanks) anywhere near them.

All muzzle flash/light and sound effects are then added in post.

 

[JP4CY]

 

[CyDude16]

Criminally liable? No

Civilly liable? Sure

 

[CyDude16]

Criminally liable? No

Civilly liable? Sure

@Gorm dumbing facts, par the course.

 

[alarson]

CGI isn't quite photo-realistic yet.

I thought standard procedure nowadays was that prop guns were indeed props and had no ammunition (even including blanks) anywhere near them.

All muzzle flash/light and sound effects are then added in post.

IIRC what was supposed to be in the gun was not a blank but a dummy round (a round with no propellant, but with a projectile- designed to be seen by the camera in down the barrel shots, vs a blank which has everything but the projectile). The dummy rounds wouldn't look all that different from real rounds. So even if Baldwin had checked to see what was in the gun, he may not have known the difference, nor was it his role to.


Somehow the person responsible for maintaining the props on set let live rounds get mixed in with the dummy rounds.

 

[cycloneML]

What a puke

 

[NorthCyd]

Couldn't all weapons in all movies be CGI nowadays? Problem solved?

Good CGI is still really expensive, and it still doesn't look the same as a real prop gun.