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Cook will leave, Moss may leave too. Who is going to save you? Nunge, fat boy Pemsel? Some point guard nobody has ever heard of? Oh I know, it will be the coming of the 2nd entitled kid P-Mac. I'm sure with 2 of the coaches kids now on the team they will make some great run.
I like Joe W. Seems like a good kid and a decent player, but you need more than him to get to the dance next year. Maybe Jobo will hit some miracle shots against the bottom of the barrel Big 10 teams again. You never know.

"I learned long ago, never to wrestle with a pig. You get dirty, and besides, the pig likes it."
You're kind of like a real life example of this quote.
 
Have you seen the list of Mr. Indiana basketball award winners?

You realize the year Nunge got second the following players in Indiana weren't even eligible to win it:

Jaren Jackson (Michigan State, McDonalds AA, 4th overall pick in the 2018 draft)
Brian Bowen (McDonalds AA, Was paid 100k to go to Louisville)
Jacob Epperson (6'11 kid that went to Creighton who averaged over 6ppg as a freshman before getting hurt)
Jordan Poole (Michigan, averaged 13ppg this year)
 
You realize the year Nunge got second the following players in Indiana weren't even eligible to win it:

Jaren Jackson (Michigan State, McDonalds AA, 4th overall pick in the 2018 draft)
Brian Bowen (McDonalds AA, Was paid 100k to go to Louisville)
Jacob Epperson (6'11 kid that went to Creighton who averaged over 6ppg as a freshman before getting hurt)
Jordan Poole (Michigan, averaged 13ppg this year)

That's awesome. Some good players on that list. You said "All the good players aren't eligible to win Mr. Indiana because they go to private schools." Definitely leaves out a good pool of players, but if you take a look there's still plenty of good players. I'm sure Greg Oden, Eric Gordon, Trey Lyles, Swanigan, Gary Harris etc... only won because the private school players weren't eligible.
 
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That's awesome. Some good players on that list. You said "All the good players aren't eligible to win Mr. Indiana because they go to private schools." Definitely leaves out a good pool of players, but if you take a look there's still plenty of good players. I'm sure Greg Oden, Eric Gordon, Trey Lyles, Swanigan, Gary Harris etc... only won because the private school players weren't eligible.

Let me rephrase that. The only reason Nunge got second for the award because 3 or 4 players clearly better than him weren't eligible to win it. That better?
 
Let me rephrase that. The only reason Nunge got second for the award because 3/4 players clearly better than him weren't eligible to win it. That better?
How is that clear when Epperson isn't even better than Malik Williams who Nunge finished higher than? Clearly Nunge can play, but was completely over matched in his first year as a college player. Mixture of mental and physical shortcomings that he realized he had. All I'm saying is Nunge will make you eat crow.
 
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How is that clear when Epperson isn't even better than Malik Williams who Nunge finished higher than? Clearly Nunge can play, but was completely over matched in his first year as a college player. Mixture of mental and physical shortcomings that he realized he had. All I'm saying is Nunge will make you eat crow.

Bowen, Jackson and Poole are all way better than Nunge. That's not debatable.

Why would Fran start a player who was completely over matched 14 games?
 
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Bowen, Jackson and Poole are all way better than Nunge. That's not debatable.

Why would Fran start a player who was completely over matched 14 games?

I agree. But that doesn't mean he's a bad player. Those 3 are great players.

He wouldn't! I'm just curious to see how the RS year worked for him. If he's the exact same player as his Freshman year then yeah Nunge ain't working out. Do you not believe in player development?

I'm not even saying he's going to be some star player, just curious to see if he can develop into someone that can provide productive minutes.
 
I agree. But that doesn't mean he's a bad player. Those 3 are great players.

He wouldn't! I'm just curious to see how the RS year worked for him. If he's the exact same player as his Freshman year then yeah Nunge ain't working out. Do you not believe in player development?

I'm not even saying he's going to be some star player, just curious to see if he can develop into someone that can provide productive minutes.

I'm not saying he's a bad player because he was somewhere between the 5th-10th best player in his state out of HS. Good players don't redshirt unless it's a odd circumstance (academics, extremely skinny, injuries, etc). You know that and I know that. On top of that he redshirted because he couldn't pass Ryan Kriener on the depth chart? Lol you have some blind optimism going on here
 
I'm not saying he's a bad player because he was somewhere between the 5th-10th best player in his state out of HS. Good players don't redshirt unless it's a odd circumstance (academics, extremely skinny, injuries, etc). You know that and I know that. On top of that he redshirted because he couldn't pass Ryan Kriener on the depth chart? Lol you have some blind optimism going on here
It was very obvious he physically couldn’t handle the college game. Not all players develop the same. It’s obvious he’s on a different time clock. I don’t think it’s blind optimism to wonder if he can provide quality minutes next year.
 
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It was very obvious he physically couldn’t handle the college game. Not all players develop the same. It’s obvious he’s on a different time clock. I don’t think it’s blind optimism to wonder if he can provide quality minutes next year.

You said you think he's going to prove me wrong when I said he's not good. Other players who were going to prove me wrong off the top of my head:

Trey Dickerson
Dale from Waterloo
Christian Williams
Connor McCaffery
Andrew Fleming
Dom Uhl

Players who actually proved me wrong:
Peter Jok
 
You said you think he's going to prove me wrong when I said he's not good. Other players who were going to prove me wrong off the top of my head:

Trey Dickerson
Dale from Waterloo
Christian Williams
Connor McCaffery
Andrew Fleming
Dom Uhl

Players who actually proved me wrong:
Peter Jok
Well get ready to add a second to that bottom list :cool:
 
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You said you think he's going to prove me wrong when I said he's not good. Other players who were going to prove me wrong off the top of my head:

Trey Dickerson
Dale from Waterloo
Christian Williams
Connor McCaffery
Andrew Fleming
Dom Uhl

Players who actually proved me wrong:
Peter Jok

You might want to add Wieskamp to that bottom list, too
 
You said Wieskamp wasn’t a good shooter and would be a liability on defense. Derp.

“Wieskamp isn’t a good 3 pt shooter at all.”
- @CyTwins , 4/16/18

https://cyclonefanatic.com/forum/th...mid-major-roster.236209/page-159#post-6121179

“Wieskamp isn’t a very good shooter.”
- @CyTwins , 3/28/18

https://cyclonefanatic.com/forum/th...mid-major-roster.236209/page-108#post-6098082

“Joe isn’t a good shooter...He shot like 35% from 3 against 6 foot Iowa kids.”
- @CyTwins , 4/18/18

https://cyclonefanatic.com/forum/th...mid-major-roster.236209/page-168#post-6124270

“Wieskamp probably won’t be a better defender than Ellingson.”
- @CyTwins , 6/5/18

https://cyclonefanatic.com/forum/th...idiots-and-morons.237573/page-51#post-6177150

“In all honesty I think Wieskamp could be a good player off the bench but he’d get abused as a freshman on defense.”
- @CyTwins , 5/31/18

https://cyclonefanatic.com/forum/th...mid-major-roster.236209/page-332#post-6171991
 
“Wieskamp isn’t a good 3 pt shooter at all.”
- @CyTwins , 4/16/18

https://cyclonefanatic.com/forum/th...mid-major-roster.236209/page-159#post-6121179

“Wieskamp isn’t a very good shooter.”
- @CyTwins , 3/28/18

https://cyclonefanatic.com/forum/th...mid-major-roster.236209/page-108#post-6098082

“Joe isn’t a good shooter...He shot like 35% from 3 against 6 foot Iowa kids.”
- @CyTwins , 4/18/18

https://cyclonefanatic.com/forum/th...mid-major-roster.236209/page-168#post-6124270

“Wieskamp probably won’t be a better defender than Ellingson.”
- @CyTwins , 6/5/18

https://cyclonefanatic.com/forum/th...idiots-and-morons.237573/page-51#post-6177150

“In all honesty I think Wieskamp could be a good player off the bench but he’d get abused as a freshman on defense.”
- @CyTwins , 5/31/18

https://cyclonefanatic.com/forum/th...mid-major-roster.236209/page-332#post-6171991

Oh yeah I was so wrong about defense. Wieskamp's defensive rating was 105.2 and Ellingson's this year was 105.8

The shooting I'll give it to you, I never expected Haliburton and Wieskamp to be much better shooters than Bohannon with Haliburton being the best of the three
 
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