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Transfers we didnt originally recruited to ISU.... Babb, Beverly, Talley, Brase
Juco...Donovan
Freshmen....Wigginton, Lard, Lewis
Solomon and Long, recruits not highly ranked per se and sophomores, and more role players, imo.

When I re-look at this group, its not hard to understand our struggles. Hope everyone involves hangs in there and has each other's backs, including their coach. Surely better days ahead.


After the Monte/Matt class, we hauled in nothing from HS. Now we’re paying the price.

The only way to offset that was to land 1-2 really good grad transfers last spring to offset but that didn’t happen.

Now we’re stuck until Prohm can bolster the roster.

Hopefully this class will be enough, but I won’t be surprised if we still need another year before we climb out of our hole.
 
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After the Monte/Matt class, we hauled in nothing from HS. Now we’re paying the price.

The only way to offset that was to land 1-2 really good grad transfers last spring to offset but that didn’t happen.

Now we’re stuck until Prohm can bolster the roster.

Hopefully this class will be enough, but I won’t be surprised if we still need another year before we climb out of our hole.
For sure need another year after next before we're competing for a conference championship. Unless, as has been said, we get some transfer help to fill holes.
Nothing wrong with this either. Earlier, someone posted that they thought were still only a 10 seed next year. I'm as optimistic as anyone, and I'd sign up for the 8/9 or 7/10 game next year, right now. Then, the year after, you hope you retain your best players, and you're competing for conference championship and top 5 seed.

Maybe I'm being overly optimistic, but I can see the Lard, Wigginton & Lewis, and Conditt, TH, THT & Zion classes, like a two year foundation, similar to Naz & Georges, and Monte & Matt.
 
I don’t think that defense was the problem against Tennessee ...

I don't think it was either. I thought for the most part (until they got dejected) they competed on defense. As I've posted before, the defense is always under the spotlight if its not all out 110% and perfect, to make up for the offense. We're getting very little scoring from Solomon and Talley, almost nothing from Brase, Beverly, Lewis, Long (yes I realize some don't play). An injured Babb. So, if you don't get big offense from Wigginton, DJ, and Lard all at the same time, you're probably not going to win. Not to mention how easy the opponent can focus on defending those three.
 
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Fred Hoiberg really was a miracle worker. It’s just amazing what he did in year 3 since McDermott left him with nobody and failed to recruit. What he did was just flat out impossible.

To help him take off, he was able to get the best of the transfers before blue bloods started doing it, too. There's a reason Rothstein still refers to the 'Holberg model' when referencing other coaches/teams. Lately, we haven't had that 'mismatch' guy that many of those teams had. (Royce, Georges, Burton, etc.) Hopefully, THT or Griffin can be that type of guy eventually.
 
Fred Hoiberg really was a miracle worker. It’s just amazing what he did in year 3 since McDermott left him with nobody and failed to recruit. What he did was just flat out impossible.

Fred was ahead of his time with taking transfers. It allowed him to increase the talent level with experienced players. That’s no longer a market that is dominated by a few teams.

But it was getting Royce, after he had to leave Minnesota was the biggest thing. He was the difference maker on that team

Also i get that you think you’re making some snark point here. And of course you omitted a lot of detail.

But after Matt and Monte, the only other hs player he signed was Custer, whom he promptly ran off. We are now paying the price for that.
 
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Fred was ahead of his time with taking transfers. It allowed him to increase the talent level with experienced players. That’s no longer a market that is dominated by a few teams.

But it was getting Royce, after he had to leave Minnesota was the biggest thing. He was the difference maker on that team

Also i get that you think you’re making some snark point here. And of course you omitted a lot of detail.

But after Matt and Monte, the only other hs player he signed was Custer, whom he promptly ran off. We are now paying the price for that.
Royce didn’t play in year 3 under Fred, but good point. That was impressive he was able to bring a player the caliber of him to Iowa State. And also no snark, I just think one of the best coaches to ever coach at Iowa State should get some praise. What he did in his time was very impressive.
 
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Royce didn’t play in year 3 under Fred, but good point. That was impressive he was able to bring a player the caliber of him to Iowa State. And also no snark, I just think one of the best coaches to ever coach at Iowa State should get some praise. What he did in his time was very impressive.

Orr, Floyd, Eustachy and now Prohm have all had down years after achieving some form of success. Which makes the sustained success Fred had all the more impressive. Not sure if he would have completely avoided a bad year had he stayed, but he spoiled us.
 
Royce didn’t play in year 3 under Fred, but good point. That was impressive he was able to bring a player the caliber of him to Iowa State. And also no snark, I just think one of the best coaches to ever coach at Iowa State should get some praise. What he did in his time was very impressive.

Royce was the catalyst for the run.

Funny part is, Hoiberg thought he has pg’s in Allen and McGee, and neither panned out. He had a generational player in Royce to make up for that.

But, that 3rd team lost at least 5 games they led in the last 2 minutes, and laid an egg in Iowa city. They were a 10 seed when they should have been a 5 or 6.
 
Orr, Floyd, Eustachy and now Prohm have all had down years after achieving some form of success. Which makes the sustained success Fred had all the more impressive. Not sure if he would have completely avoided a bad year had he stayed, but he spoiled us.

If he gets Biefeldt two years ago, that team has interior depth they didn’t have. If Fred comes back, and he’s here with that team, and naz doesn’t have to shut it down, they could have made that run Fred thought they could.
 
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Orr, Floyd, Eustachy and now Prohm have all had down years after achieving some form of success. Which makes the sustained success Fred had all the more impressive. Not sure if he would have completely avoided a bad year had he stayed, but he spoiled us.


And the continuity and his rock star status, would have allowed him to get the transfers Prohm couldn’t. Which may have kept them on the right side of the bubble for a while.

The stop gap transfer and juco method he did his last two years was not sustainable though.
 
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Royce was the catalyst for the run.

Funny part is, Hoiberg thought he has pg’s in Allen and McGee, and neither panned out. He had a generational player in Royce to make up for that.

But, that 3rd team lost at least 5 games they led in the last 2 minutes, and laid an egg in Iowa city. They were a 10 seed when they should have been a 5 or 6.
Pretty impressive he was able to land Royce, Allen, and McGee and was able to develop a strong enough relationship for them to come to Ames.

As for that 3rd team they did lose some close ones but also won some close ones. Was a successful year that ended with an impressive performance in the tourney against Notre Dame, and a tough loss against a final four Ohio State team without Babb part way in the game. Definitely fun teams to watch.
 
And the continuity and his rock star status, would have allowed him to get the transfers Prohm couldn’t. Which may have kept them on the right side of the bubble for a while.

The stop gap transfer and juco method he did his last two years was not sustainable though.
I disagree about the juco part. Pretty much every Cyclone coach has landed solid jucos since the 1980s. Even McDermott did.
 
I disagree about the juco part. Pretty much every Cyclone coach has landed solid jucos since the 1980s. Even McDermott did.


Transfers are the new Jucos really. There are only a dozen or so P5 Jucos every year so it’s tougher to land them than it was back in the day.

A lot of kids who have academic problems will reclassify and spend an extra year at a prep school now.

And the ones who don’t get high level offers will settle on going to a lower level program knowing they can transfer down the road if they blow up.
 
I disagree about the juco part. Pretty much every Cyclone coach has landed solid jucos since the 1980s. Even McDermott did.


The best teams, except for Floyd’s two years had four year players with jucos mixed in.

The 2000 team, Tinsley Horton and nurse were combined with fizer rancik and Shirley

Look at Fred’s best team, Kane made them special, but the rest of the team, other than hogue, was all high school recruits. Ironically, the last ones Fred signed.
 
The best teams, except for Floyd’s two years had four year players with jucos mixed in.

The 2000 team, Tinsley Horton and nurse were combined with fizer rancik and Shirley

Look at Fred’s best team, Kane made them special, but the rest of the team, other than hogue, was all high school recruits. Ironically, the last ones Fred signed.
And that Kane team was picked for last place in the Big 12 before the year started. Fred really coached that team up well. Pretty impressive job that year although you are right that Kane was pretty outstanding. He also shot better from 3 than any of his previous years by far. Fred’s coaching in that department really helped with his game.
 
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And that Kane team was picked for last place in the Big 12 before the year started. Fred really coached that team up well. Pretty impressive job that year although you are right that Kane was pretty outstanding. He also shot better from 3 than any of his previous years by far. Fred’s coaching in that department really helped with his game.

They weren’t picked last. All of the high school recruiting he did to establish the program Fred did a great job here

So then you must give prohm all kinds of credit for Abdul, Monte, Matt, Naz, and Deonte getting professional paychecks then, too.
 
The lowest point total is bad, but to judge the whole season, and all the players off that, is a little silly. It's still January.

Let the season play out before we start condemning everybody. Let's not forget that after a horribly ugly loss to tcu, the team came back for a dominant win over tech.
Are we all forgetting the Milwaukee game? THAT was the season's worse performance because of the level of competition.
 

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