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***2024 Minnesota Vikings***

Don't know a lot about how all this works. But someone explain why teams sign players to these huge contracts and then can't afford to pay them as the contract payments, can't trade them because no one else wants to pay them that much either so still need to continue to pay them if they release them. I know they are getting them at a fair value earlier in the contract but seems to come back and bite them later on.
 
DrClone said:
Don't know a lot about how all this works. But someone explain why teams sign players to these huge contracts and then can't afford to pay them as the contract payments, can't trade them because no one else wants to pay them that much either so still need to continue to pay them if they release them. I know they are getting them at a fair value earlier in the contract but seems to come back and bite them later on.
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It's important to recognize that contracts are different in the NFL than in other sports. Most NFL contracts are not fully guaranteed. There are portions that are guaranteed, but most deals include multiple years on the back end that only exist to spread out the impact to the salary cap.

A player's yearly salary counts against the salary cap for the year it is earned, but signing bonuses can be spread out over multiple years. Teams regularly use this to manipulate the salary cap for each year.

The upshot is that many contracts are entered into with both parties knowing that all of the years covered won't ever be fully completed.

It's not a matter of not being able to afford it. By cutting Cook, Minnesota frees up about 9 million dollars in cap space, but will have a penalty of 3 million next year in the form of a dead cap hit, which is the portion of his signing bonus/guaranteed money that had already been paid to him, but had not yet counted against the cap.
 
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Mr Janny said:
It's important to recognize that contracts are different in the NFL than in other sports. Most NFL contracts are not fully guaranteed. There are portions that are guaranteed, but most deals include multiple years on the back end that only exist to spread out the impact to the salary cap.

A player's yearly salary counts against the salary cap for the year it is earned, but signing bonuses can be spread out over multiple years. Teams regularly use this to manipulate the salary cap for each year.

The upshot is that many contracts are entered into with both parties knowing that all of the years covered won't ever be fully completed.

It's not a matter of not being able to afford it. By cutting Cook, Minnesota frees up about 9 million dollars in cap space, but will have a penalty of 3 million next year in the form of a dead cap hit, which is the portion of his signing bonus/guaranteed money that had already been paid to him, but had not yet counted against the cap.
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It's a bit of a silly game that would best be changed but they all work with it more or less so it stays. Those who can, though, are pushing for more and more guaranteed.
 
Mr Janny said:
It's important to recognize that contracts are different in the NFL than in other sports. Most NFL contracts are not fully guaranteed. There are portions that are guaranteed, but most deals include multiple years on the back end that only exist to spread out the impact to the salary cap.

A player's yearly salary counts against the salary cap for the year it is earned, but signing bonuses can be spread out over multiple years. Teams regularly use this to manipulate the salary cap for each year.

The upshot is that many contracts are entered into with both parties knowing that all of the years covered won't ever be fully completed.

It's not a matter of not being able to afford it. By cutting Cook, Minnesota frees up about 9 million dollars in cap space, but will have a penalty of 3 million next year in the form of a dead cap hit, which is the portion of his signing bonus/guaranteed money that had already been paid to him, but had not yet counted against the cap.
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3 MM ain’t bad. The packers are forced into a youth movement with 40MM on Rodgers. That was very dumb.
 
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drmwevr08 said:
WTH is Hock making?
Josh Oliver @#7?
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PA has been saying that he was told Oliver is an elite blocking TE...like better than a lot of starting tackles in the league. So they're going to use him a lot, apparently.

But man does that seem like a lot of money...
 
Mr Janny said:
It's important to recognize that contracts are different in the NFL than in other sports. Most NFL contracts are not fully guaranteed. There are portions that are guaranteed, but most deals include multiple years on the back end that only exist to spread out the impact to the salary cap.

A player's yearly salary counts against the salary cap for the year it is earned, but signing bonuses can be spread out over multiple years. Teams regularly use this to manipulate the salary cap for each year.

The upshot is that many contracts are entered into with both parties knowing that all of the years covered won't ever be fully completed.

It's not a matter of not being able to afford it. By cutting Cook, Minnesota frees up about 9 million dollars in cap space, but will have a penalty of 3 million next year in the form of a dead cap hit, which is the portion of his signing bonus/guaranteed money that had already been paid to him, but had not yet counted against the cap.
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Thanks! the explanation helps some. I guess saying the team can't afford it was not the choice of words. Seems like teams often sign contracts that are not in their best interests. Again having a high payout at the end or pay players after they are gone. They also are often untradeable so they are released and the team loses a quality player, they used a high draft pick to select and then release them to get nothing for them.

It seems like the teams are their worst enemies. Obviously a good deal for the players
 
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Mr Janny said:
Sounds like Kene is running with the second string in minicamp. Still early, but that's a good sign for him.
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Could strictly be due to familiarity with the offense at this point, but still better than not being the #2 guy.
 
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somecyguy said:
I was sympathetic towards his frustrations while with the Vikings because we all knew the offense was stagnant. But cripes he has turned into a giant diva.
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He lost me when in the playoff game vs. New Orleans (which the good guys won), rather than being a good teammate, he was going off on the sidelines about not getting the ball enough....even though the team was winning.
 
What a terrible time to be rebuilding in the NFC North... Zimmer and KAM shot the franchise in the foot with these vet extensions and retaining Kirk for a premium salary..

Chicago and GB look like they are going to be 5-7 win teams at best. I don't trust DET to win more than 9-10 games... SO this division is right there if we had a better cap situation.

Trading Hunter means this is a re-build and I fear the team is too good to be able to get a top 12 pick and be able to draft a QB high or trade up in the 2024 draft
 
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