NFL: ***2023 NFL offseason***

I think he probably is actually done, this time, but fool me once...

Tampa has a significant regression coming up next year. It's not like they were fantastic with Tom, this year, but they have very little cap space, even with him leaving, no quarterback, and a first place schedule, next year. That division isn't great, so they might not be able to go full tank, but if the Bucs are in the playoffs next year, I'd be very surprised
 
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Yeah, I don't know that I like giving up significant draft capital for a coach. Payton is fine, but is he a first and a second round pick better than other prospects? If Denver doesn't win immediately, this is going to look really bad. They need 10-11 wins next year, or a deep playoff run. If not, they're going to get trashed by the media and their own fans.
 
Yeah, I don't know that I like giving up significant draft capital for a coach. Payton is fine, but is he a first and a second round pick better than other prospects? If Denver doesn't win immediately, this is going to look really bad. They need 10-11 wins next year, or a deep playoff run. If not, they're going to get trashed by the media and their own fans.

I didn't think they had anything left to give after selling the farm to Seattle

I wish Denver nothing but the worst
 
Yeah, I don't know that I like giving up significant draft capital for a coach. Payton is fine, but is he a first and a second round pick better than other prospects? If Denver doesn't win immediately, this is going to look really bad. They need 10-11 wins next year, or a deep playoff run. If not, they're going to get trashed by the media and their own fans.
Not saying its a sure thing, but Tampa traded two 1st and two 2nd round picks for Gruden, and got a SB win immediately.
 
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Not saying its a sure thing, but Tampa traded two 1st and two 2nd round picks for Gruden, and got a SB win immediately.
Oh yeah, I'm aware of what happened with Gruden, but that was a very talented team, built by Tony Dungy, that had gone to the playoffs 4 out of the previous 5 years. Gruden got them over the hump, and then the rest of his run with the Bucs was like a balloon with a steady leak, as those Dungy players aged/retired/left.

Denver has been under .500 each of the last 6 years, and plays in a division with two very talented young quarterbacks. The Broncos are going to be lucky to win half of their divisional games, next year.

At the end of the day, the success or failure of this move rests entirely on Payton's ability to get Russ right. If he can't do that, Denver is cooked, and trading for Payton is going to be seen as a bad move.
 
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Fangio status is interesting. It’s believed agent agreed to a record breaking deal for a coordinator in Miami. Fangio is now reportedly involved in the 49ers and Broncos coordinator jobs
 

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