Yeah if I had to choose I think Gilbert is the leading scorer. Just because he played at a higher level than the other 2
2023-2024 MBB computer projections thread
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Re - top scorers list... Did Watson transfer or something? Not saying he'd necessarily be top 5, but nobody has listed him so far.
I didn't have him in my top 5 because I don't see the offense running through him at any point. Max of about 5-6 shots in a game. Could equate to 6pts a game
TJ made Paveletzke the priority SG from the start and it wasn't for his defense. His ability to slide over some PG means he'll be on the floor for 25+ minutes per game when not starting at the 2. With Omaha and King pounding the paint he should get a number of open looks. My money is on Pav averaging 13ish pts per game.
Unlike the past two years thought the I expect there won't be a huge gap from the primary scores to the next 4. I would guess Pav, Gilbert, Omaha, King and Jones all challenge for a double digit scoring averages.
Omaha will get 10+ppg just off hustle / put backs / transition and could lead the team in scoring if the improvement in his 3 pt his Sr year translates to college right away (not predicting it but possible).
Obviously it so hard to tell-
we're talking about probably 1-2 point differential right now, anyway.
Never watched any of these transfers play but Gilbert seems to be getting way overhyped based on his UNLV stats. Sure UNLV is rated better but they still were not very good. Expecting a 11 ppg UNLV transfer to lead the team in scoring means he either takes a huge leap or we suck. Honestly, I'd rank Gilbert as the 3rd best transfer of the 3... and by a longshot. I might take Omaha or Tamin as the leading scorer purely based off they probably will average 30 mpg, the rest of the squad will be fighting for 15-25 mpg.
I wouldn't base your assumption on Gilber based solely off his PPG.
He could easily average 12-13 a game for us and would that lead the team? Maybe.
We could have 4/5 guys that average 8-13 points a game.
I have to disagree on Gilbert being far behind the transfers. Pav is likely the "best" on potential transfer TJ landed but Gilbert isn't far behind.
I watched a couple of UNLV games to see his game and he has the ability to play on and off the ball, a better then average 3 pt shot, finish through contact, rebounds well for a guard and is a tenacious on ball defense. All those traits and with his size/speed will translate right away to the Big 12.
TJ recruited him out of HS and knows what he'll add to his system and I assume has a number of minutes slotted for him next year.
Coach Hines is correct, was very efficient in the limited number of shots he took. I imagine he will have the ball in his hands a lot, especially at end of clock situations.
Also cyclone125, saying he's overhyped and 3rd best of the transfers after saying you haven't seen any of them play is kind of laughable
I said “based off his UNLV stats”. On paper, he’s definitely #3 of the transfers and most of the transfer ranking sites match that. Pav was more efficient.
Disagree. Context matters.
Update after adding Jones --
They've slipped to #37. I think that is more additions from other high-major teams, though.
This projection would put the leading scorers as...
Biliew
Lipsey
Gibert
Jones
Paveletzke
Momcilovic
Jones
King
Watson
Hamilton
They've slipped to #37. I think that is more additions from other high-major teams, though.
This projection would put the leading scorers as...
Biliew
Lipsey
Gibert
Jones
Paveletzke
Momcilovic
Jones
King
Watson
Hamilton
That computer program doesn't understand Tre King.
At the very least, I doubt Tre King will be our seventh leading rebounder.
Yeah, he averaged 6 and 4 without being any kind of focal point of our offense, so going down statistically just seems like a total misreading of his value.
All models are wrong. Some are useful.
I don't think the Torvik model is about projecting lineups or statistical outputs by player next year so much as benchmarking Iowa State relative to its peers in terms of returning productivity, expected development from returning players, and the rough impact the transfers and freshmen might have.
Done in those terms, we look like this (defining "peers" as the Big 12) --
Looks pretty good! But not a lot of differentiation between Iowa State and Oklahoma.
I don't think the Torvik model is about projecting lineups or statistical outputs by player next year so much as benchmarking Iowa State relative to its peers in terms of returning productivity, expected development from returning players, and the rough impact the transfers and freshmen might have.
Done in those terms, we look like this (defining "peers" as the Big 12) --
Looks pretty good! But not a lot of differentiation between Iowa State and Oklahoma.
Especially considering he was tied w/ Jaz for 1st in rpg avg 2022-23, at 4.1. And his minutes might go up.
That looks about right with what the rosters are as of now. Going to be another jumbled mess in the middle. I think the opportunity is certainly there for this ISU team to finish that high.
King will be averaging closer to 10 and 6 per game than these silly projections. I also think they're underselling Gilbert's PPG by 2. Take that into account and that's 6-7 more ppg which would probably bump us up another 15-20 spots. These projections seem to like Biliew a lot. He's a guy that could also average more if he is aggressive enough on the offensive end.
