Can't help but notice that Iowa got into the national championship game, while ISU has never been past the Elite Eight. ISU has always been in the Top 3 in attendance and fan support, yet teams with much less support outperform us.
Do Bill Fennelly teams underperform nationally?
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WBB has long been dominated by the same 4-5 teams. Hopefully we are seeing a change in that.
Thread creator needs to learn to spell.
Since when does fan support = performance?
Caitlyn Clark is a generational player that certainly helps.
This past season was the first I can remember that we weren’t close to preseason expectations, but understandably so after Soares went down.
We landed our first McDonalds All American ever coming this fall, so no I don’t think we’ve ever been expected to make the Final Four.
We landed our first McDonalds All American ever coming this fall, so no I don’t think we’ve ever been expected to make the Final Four.
The only time in the last 30 years that I felt Iowa State had the fire power to make the final four was also the last time our team won the regular season conference title. That team had every component to make a deep run.
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He's kind of reached Kirk Ferentz status. Tenured, not going anywhere and unwilling to do anything real innovative. Does enough to keep people happy, and you'll never find yourself at the bottom of the barrel. But also probably isn't ever going to make you relevant on a national scale (i.e. Final Four).
Could be worse but also could be better. It just depends on what you consider success.
Could be worse but also could be better. It just depends on what you consider success.
Bill Fennelly is a success. I remember Nikki Moody. And her lawsuit. Denae and Lexi are not happy. They are leaving. Hope they find what they are looking for.
How can you definitely just write off an incoming Top 10 recruiting class saying they will likely never be nationally relevant? Prior to them ever playing a college game.
Comparison
Bill Fennelly vs. Lisa Bluder
Fennelly
Overall - 756-353 - .682 (all wins D1)
ISU 589-300 - .663
NCAA invites (Toledo and ISU) - 24 (record of 23-23)
Sweet 16's - 4
Elite 8's - 2
Final Fours - 0
Bluder
Overall 851-387 - .687 (note 169-36 at NAIA St. Ambrose)
Overall D1 only - 682-351 -.660
UIowa 494-246 - .668
NCAA invites (Drake and UIowa) - 21 (record of 20-21)
Sweet 16's - 2
Elite 8's - 1
Final Fours - 1
Getting to the Final Four takes a little bit of luck, and being able to avoid injuries. Iowa did not have any major injuries this year, and being the number five overall seed, had the luxury of a weak number one in the NCAA tourney who was sputtering down the stretch.
Bill Fennelly vs. Lisa Bluder
Fennelly
Overall - 756-353 - .682 (all wins D1)
ISU 589-300 - .663
NCAA invites (Toledo and ISU) - 24 (record of 23-23)
Sweet 16's - 4
Elite 8's - 2
Final Fours - 0
Bluder
Overall 851-387 - .687 (note 169-36 at NAIA St. Ambrose)
Overall D1 only - 682-351 -.660
UIowa 494-246 - .668
NCAA invites (Drake and UIowa) - 21 (record of 20-21)
Sweet 16's - 2
Elite 8's - 1
Final Fours - 1
Getting to the Final Four takes a little bit of luck, and being able to avoid injuries. Iowa did not have any major injuries this year, and being the number five overall seed, had the luxury of a weak number one in the NCAA tourney who was sputtering down the stretch.
I don't know what fans expect from the WBB program. They've been arguably the best sports program at Iowa State over the last 20 years, outside of maybe wrestling?
I'm not a die-hard WBB fan, but to me, just keep doing what they've been doing.
I'm not a die-hard WBB fan, but to me, just keep doing what they've been doing.
Think we’ve caught UI’s Tom Davis disease.
Technically our 2nd. Our first just transferred out. Lexi was named to the team, but game not held due to COVID.
Iowa just needed to rid themselves of Dr. Tom. He was holding them back from their rightful place as National Champions.
Most years we pretty much hit our ceiling, the realistic ceiling and not the "we are better than we really are ceiling". Mostly talking league play. We generally finish about to our talent level as opposed to the other league teams talent.
NCAA's are always a crap shoot but I'd call it underachieved over the last ten years based on situation and players we've had the last decade. Had some one and dones and some losses at home that were upset losses. Not making the Sweet Sixteen while hosting with Carleton as a senior was a big underachieve and maybe the most disappointing season for me personally.
Last year was my 2nd rated underachieve of the last decade, blown chance to go to the Elite Eight versus a #10 seed with three first team All-Big 12 players starting for us. We make an Elite Eight about once every 15 years or so, who knows when the next chance that good will come again. Only ranks second to the Bridget team loss because at least they advanced out of Ames. Another case for 2nd might be we were overrated and actually overachieved some with a rotation at post. The league was weak and Ryan and Donarski played better as sophomores than they did as juniors.
NCAA's are always a crap shoot but I'd call it underachieved over the last ten years based on situation and players we've had the last decade. Had some one and dones and some losses at home that were upset losses. Not making the Sweet Sixteen while hosting with Carleton as a senior was a big underachieve and maybe the most disappointing season for me personally.
Last year was my 2nd rated underachieve of the last decade, blown chance to go to the Elite Eight versus a #10 seed with three first team All-Big 12 players starting for us. We make an Elite Eight about once every 15 years or so, who knows when the next chance that good will come again. Only ranks second to the Bridget team loss because at least they advanced out of Ames. Another case for 2nd might be we were overrated and actually overachieved some with a rotation at post. The league was weak and Ryan and Donarski played better as sophomores than they did as juniors.
OP is a hok troll, hence the user name. Good chance the misspelling was intentional.
I think the program has performed consistently above average. Also, fan support and attendance doesn't win you many extra games in the tournament.