McCarney wide right...........

[chadm]

No. They don't.

They just shouldn't be the measurement of an athletic director. They should absolutely be an expectation, but in no way should be an excuse or justification for poor performance.

Is the overall performace of the athletic department lower currently than it was before Pollard?

Are the revenues lower?

I am sure you are just talking about football and MBB, which is important, but what has Pollard done wrong?

Most people originally loved the hiring of Chizik.
McDermott has to prove himself yet, but he did start with nothing.
Most people like the BB practice facility, improvements to Jack Trice and the improvements to Hilton.

 

[ribsnwhiskey]

Tell me your way of measuring? Given the circumstances he's been under since getting to Ames, tell me oh great one what you would have done different even knowing what you do now.

You are the kind of fan that would rather have corruption and wins than what we have.

Lastly, how much of your income do you contribute to make things better in Ames?

What circumstances has he been under? Firing coaches because you want to bring in your own guys is pretty typical of any new AD. Everything he's done since he's gotten here that has either improved or taken the AD backwards is 100% on his shoulders. Enough of this "he inherited a mess" BS. It's an old and tired excuse.

And I'd most definitely take some corruption if it meant a few more bowl appearances or NCAA tourneys than we have had. Most succesful programs have some level of corruption, like it or not.

 

[Bobber]

What circumstances has he been under? Firing coaches because you want to bring in your own guys is pretty typical of any new AD. Everything he's done since he's gotten here that has either improved or taken the AD backwards is 100% on his shoulders. Enough of this "he inherited a mess" BS. It's an old and tired excuse.

And I'd most definitely take some corruption if it meant a few more bowl appearances or NCAA tourneys than we have had. Most succesful programs have some level of corruption, like it or not.

Jamie Pollard has never used that excuse that I'm aware of.

I don't think he's making any excuses period. If you have a problem, e-mail or call him. He's very approachable.

 

[isunorth]

Tell me your way of measuring? Given the circumstances he's been under since getting to Ames, tell me oh great one what you would have done different even knowing what you do now.

You are the kind of fan that would rather have corruption and wins than what we have.

Lastly, how much of your income do you contribute to make things better in Ames?

Why do people insist on believing that success and ethics are mutually exclusive? :no:

To answer your questions:

My way of measuring? Hmmm...let's see...I think wins and losses matter. Performance matters. Here's an example. I work for a real estate services company. My compensation is 100% commission. Being ethical doesn't put food on my table...closing deals does. That doesn't mean that I'm not ethical. It doesn't mean that ethics don't matter. It just means that ethics alone don't pay the bills.

How is a coach or AD any different? How about your job? If you sucked at your job would your boss keep you around just because you're a good guy? I hope not.

As for my donations to ISU, I make a fair amount to the University, but fail to see how that's at all relevant in this argument?

 

[mikeiastat]

Well, obviously being ethical in College athletics is paying the bills, I'm still going and will continue to go to games. I love ISU because they do things the right way. Sometimes they win and unfortunately a lot of times they don't, but they won't sell their integrity to win. They work at it and learn from what they aren't able to do as well as what they are. Higer education athletics can pay the bills with ethics, because the compensation is based on not being a leach. The university realizes that there is value in demonstrating the values of the majority of the real ISU faithful and ignoring the spoiled brats that are willing to steal, lie and cheat to look good to people that 99% of Iowans don't give a damn about. JP is not a door to door salesman or a scumbag grabbing for his own dollars. He is infact paid to improve the integrity and reputation of ISU and its athletic program. I'm am ashamed that there are fans like you who blieve that cheating to win is more important in our identity, than winning with class and integrity.

JP is tyring to make our facilities competitive with someone who wins more than 3 games a year. Right now they are just getting there. Give the teams time.

They are called student athletes for a reason. They are here to become better people and to try and win games second. I don't think that we ignore the second part here, but look at at guys like Lane Danielson, Arnaud, Peterson, Austin Flynn, and R.J. Summerall and ask them where ISU athletics has failed them.

It's a history that goes back and includes people like Fred Hoiberg, Gary Thompson and others who are pillars and respected throughout their profession. I want to see people like that coming out of ISU. Not liars, Cheaters and the likes of you.

While you are correct, winning and integrity are not mutually exclusive. Integrity can and will continue to pay the bills if I and the true ISU fans have anything to say about it. The majority of the ISU fans understand this.

 

[Cyrocks]

God forbid we ever try and improve. Pollard should've just given Mac a lifetime contract, not bother and try to improve our facilities. I'd rather go down swinging than go down sitting...

:yes:

Exactly. Good post out of you.

As I stated before in another thread, letting McCarney go was the right thing. The Chizik hire turned out to be a bad one. I don't blame Pollard for that.

 

[CarolinaCy]

Pollard's main goal is to make $$$ for the athletic department. Period. Everything else is secondary to this goal. And since he's increased the athletic budget in Ames by around 50% since taking over, I'd say the man is doing a damn fine job.

Now, you could argue that some wins in men's b-ball and football need to start happening to continue the financial gains that ISU has experienced over the last few years, but until the $$$ start drying up, JP isn't going anywhere.

 

[Cyrocks]

Pollard's main goal is to make $$$ for the athletic department. Period. Everything else is secondary to this goal. And since he's increased the athletic budget in Ames by around 50% since taking over, I'd say the man is doing a damn fine job.

Now, you could argue that some wins in men's b-ball and football need to start happening to continue the financial gains that ISU has experienced over the last few years, but until the $$$ start drying up, JP isn't going anywhere.

I loved it when he put up a billboard over by Cedar Rapids about ISU winning the Cy-Hawk trophy and watching Iowa fans rip him for it (I still don't understand why that was a Register story).

I would be a hypocrit if I said I wasn't in favor of hiring Chizik or McDermott. I thought both were good hires. I still do about McDermott. Chizik? I don't know. I guess he can talk a good game. Everybody has the right to be fooled once.

 

[CarolinaCy]

I loved it when he put up a billboard over by Cedar Rapids about ISU winning the Cy-Hawk trophy and watching Iowa fans rip him for it (I still don't understand why that was a Register story).

I would be a hypocrit if I said I wasn't in favor of hiring Chizik or McDermott. I thought both were good hires. I still do about McDermott. Chizik? I don't know. I guess he can talk a good game. Everybody has the right to be fooled once.

I was also pumped about the Chizik hire, thought Pollard hit an absolute grand-slam on that one. Oops. I think we all got the wool pulled over our eyes on that one, definitely can't blame Pollard for that one. Hell, I bet MontyBurns was jumping up and down over that hire. McDermott? Put me squarely in the "not a big fan of that hire, but I'll wait and see" camp. Based on his previous successes, I understood the hire, but I wasn't excited for it.

The real question is: if McD and PR start winning in their respectives sports, what will everyone have to ***** about then? What a glorious day 'twill be!

 

[CyPride]

Don't forget Baylor that year, or Iowa, CU, and Mizzou the year before. How about UConn in '02. The list of close games McCarney blew is long and staggering. Winning some of those could have really taken the program to new heights. The fact that he consistently lost the most important games is the reason he is no longer employed at ISU. He wins 1 North title out of those 04-05 seasons, and he still has a job.

How about all those close Chizik games.......???

 

[CRcyclone6]

I loved it when he put up a billboard over by Cedar Rapids about ISU winning the Cy-Hawk trophy and watching Iowa fans rip him for it (I still don't understand why that was a Register story).

I would be a hypocrit if I said I wasn't in favor of hiring Chizik or McDermott. I thought both were good hires. I still do about McDermott. Chizik? I don't know. I guess he can talk a good game. Everybody has the right to be fooled once.

i would drive out of my way to work to see that billboard daily. loved it.

 

[jaretac]

I don't think anyone should blame JP for hiring Chizik. JP hired exactly who the fans wanted, as was evident by his announcement, his first spring game, and the season ticket sales for his first season. I don't blame JP for Chizik, however, I do think he may have got the right coach now.

On the other hand, I think you can place some of the blame for our basketball woes on JP. McDermott wasn't really anyone's first choice. He did have some success at UNI, but there were other big names being thrown around when he was hired. The McDermott hire is actually allot like the Rhoads hire.

The difference is that Rhoads has been to ISU before, he has coached at the higher level before and he knows the challenges that he faces. McDermott had no clue and he has just figured that out. McDermott is starting to do a better job of recruiting and I think we will start to see success next season. Who knows, after Chizik started to figure things out with demoting his two buddies, we may have started to improve.

 

[mikeiastat]

I do agree that one of the objectives for the A.D. is for the Athletic Deparment to make as much money as they can. However, He has constraints, and money should not be his primary objective. It is one of the grading scales, but his overall mission serves the university and its betterment.

Athletics are here to serve the university, not the otherway around. And he definitly should not be serving the sports fans blindly. He should be making the athletic department better, and I believe that he is. The bottom line and FB/MBB wins and losses are not the end all be all.

Sometimes money and wins are in line with winning and sometimes winning needs to be put into perspective. Believe it or not, it is not a direct correlation with money either. Sometimes not making as much money, can better serve the integrity of the university. (i.e. The L.E. situation into the "scheduling situation") Dan McCarney was one where debate will rage on forever, as I think that he was doing a lot of good things, but a lot of people thought we were making a good move, with another good guy. Didn't turn out that way, but very few saw that coming.

 

[Al_4_State]

How about all those close Chizik games.......???

I was just making the case as to why McCarney needed to go, rather than the lifetime contract that guys like Monty act like they wanted.

But while we're on it... Toledo '07, Nebraska '07, OU '07, Iowa '08, UNLV '08, CU '08, KSU '08... Blech

 

[MontyBurns]

Hell, I bet MontyBurns was jumping up and down over that hire.

Hell no, I was not excited about hiring a no-name guy who like Chizik. He had zero ties to this school, zero this state, no recruiting base, he clearly did not want to be here except as a stepping stone, and he had never been a head coach on any level before, not even high school.

I don't know why this board seems to think Chizik was some giant name that we stole. He was not a "hot" candidate. What other schools offered him head coaching jobs? What other schools inteviewed him for head coaching jobs? We stole him from.....nobody. For that matter, he wasn't even our first choice for the job.

 

[isunorth]

Well, obviously being ethical in College athletics is paying the bills, I'm still going and will continue to go to games. I love ISU because they do things the right way. Sometimes they win and unfortunately a lot of times they don't, but they won't sell their integrity to win. They work at it and learn from what they aren't able to do as well as what they are. Higer education athletics can pay the bills with ethics, because the compensation is based on not being a leach. The university realizes that there is value in demonstrating the values of the majority of the real ISU faithful and ignoring the spoiled brats that are willing to steal, lie and cheat to look good to people that 99% of Iowans don't give a damn about. JP is not a door to door salesman or a scumbag grabbing for his own dollars. He is infact paid to improve the integrity and reputation of ISU and its athletic program. I'm am ashamed that there are fans like you who blieve that cheating to win is more important in our identity, than winning with class and integrity.

JP is tyring to make our facilities competitive with someone who wins more than 3 games a year. Right now they are just getting there. Give the teams time.

They are called student athletes for a reason. They are here to become better people and to try and win games second. I don't think that we ignore the second part here, but look at at guys like Lane Danielson, Arnaud, Peterson, Austin Flynn, and R.J. Summerall and ask them where ISU athletics has failed them.

It's a history that goes back and includes people like Fred Hoiberg, Gary Thompson and others who are pillars and respected throughout their profession. I want to see people like that coming out of ISU. Not liars, Cheaters and the likes of you.

While you are correct, winning and integrity are not mutually exclusive. Integrity can and will continue to pay the bills if I and the true ISU fans have anything to say about it. The majority of the ISU fans understand this.

Where do I start with this?

First, I take exception to "liars, cheaters and the likes" of me. Seriously? I'm sorry...do we know each other? That's a pretty bold statement, my friend.

Second, where did I or anyone else say that we need to cheat to win? You need to re-read the posts before you say such things.

Third, why is it that you continue to accept failure of our teams just because we're the "good guys". The ironic thing about your post is that some of your examples of "good guy" athletes were also quite successful. You think I wouldn't take a bunch of Hoibergs on my basketball team? Here's the thing you're forgetting...Hoiberg was actually GOOD at basketball.

Last, are you a "true fan" because you have low expectations? Am I a bad fan because I'd like to see us win more? Please explain.

 

[Al_4_State]

Hell no, I was not excited about hiring a no-name guy who like Chizik. He had zero ties to this school, zero this state, no recruiting base, he clearly did not want to be here except as a stepping stone, and he had never been a head coach on any level before, not even high school.

I don't know why this board seems to think Chizik was some giant name that we stole. He was not a "hot" candidate. What other schools offered him head coaching jobs? What other schools inteviewed him for head coaching jobs? We stole him from.....nobody. For that matter, he wasn't even our first choice for the job.

Of all the absolutely stupid things you've said on this site, this one takes the cake, and that is saying something. Gene Chizik was considered THE hottest coordinator in college football by MANY, MANY pundits. I don't know how many articles I read where people were blown away we hired him. Brian Kelly seemed like a consolation prize at that time. Obviously hindsight is 20/20, but at the time I don't think anyone on this site would've taken Kelly over Chizik.

 

[isunorth]

Of all the absolutely stupid things you've said on this site, this one takes the cake, and that is saying something. Gene Chizik was considered THE hottest coordinator in college football by MANY, MANY pundits. I don't know how many articles I read where people were blown away we hired him. Brian Kelly seemed like a consolation prize at that time. Obviously hindsight is 20/20, but at the time I don't think anyone on this site would've taken Kelly over Chizik.

Monty, I agree with you on a lot of your points. However, Al_4_State is exactly right on this. The consensus, not just on this message board, but across the entire country was that Chizik was a hot prospect. If this is not consistent with your recollection I would suggest you seek professional help or remove yourself from the rock you were living under when we hired him. :smile: I'm kidding around, but I don't know how you could have missed this.

I admittedly don't know who else he interview with or who he had offers from. I'm not arguing with you on the process, but it was entirely clear that the majority of college football experts on TV or radio or in the papers thought this was a big hire for us.

You can argue that those people were wrong in this case, but you can't say he was a "no-name" hire.

 

[Omaha Cy]

Ive often wondered if Chizik had not taken the job here in '07 and stayed on as Texas DC for another year just what job he could have landed then.

Its conceivable to think nebraska would have taken a look at him. Michigan, most likely not. UCLA, possibly. I think in all probability he coulda latched on with Ole Miss actually.

Regardless of this speculation, he probably would have landed a pretty decent HC job somewhere else in '08.

 

[MontyBurns]

Gene Chizik was considered THE hottest coordinator in college football by MANY, MANY pundits. I don't know how many articles I read where people were blown away we hired him. Brian Kelly seemed like a consolation prize at that time.

Ya'll do realize that Pollard offered the job to Kelly first, and Chizik second?

Do you have any articles that said Chizik was the "hottest" coordinator in college football? Or anyone -- besides CF posters -- who were blown away that we hired him? I'll answer for you: you don't, because there weren't any.

I admittedly don't know who else he interview with or who he had offers from. I'm not arguing with you on the process, but it was entirely clear that the majority of college football experts on TV or radio or in the papers thought this was a big hire for us.

I'll answer what other schools he had offers from: none.