Remember, MacFarland had the autonomy in regards to the offense. Chizik fully intended to run up the score if he could.
No talent? Or poor coaching?
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Remember, MacFarland had the autonomy in regards to the offense. Chizik fully intended to run up the score if he could.
Really? I'm not in the camp that thinks that McCarney was the best coach ever here, but the guy went to bowl games 5 out of 6 years, winning two of them, and is the all-time leader in wins. Meanwhile, Chizik has 5 wins in his coaching career and the all-time worst record in ISU Football history. You tell me which was the worse gameday coach...
This is a terrible example, Dan was known for being super conservative. Dan wouldn't have let our lead get so high in the first place and would be running every down at +14pts.
Funny, that isu's top 3 and maybe even 4 wide receivers would have started at iowa and been one of their top options. RJ, Hamilton, sed, and darks.
So once again another ignorant hawk fan. Yes, he has a point that isu wasn't nearly as good as iowa last year, we were starting numerous underclassmen. and LJ would have started for them too.
So once again another ignorant hawk fan. Yes, he has a point that isu wasn't nearly as good as iowa last year, we were starting numerous underclassmen. and LJ would have started for them too.
I think outside of LJ, your right with defense. Remember that our line had several injuries last year on the O-line and the 2nd teamers struggled to fill the holes. I think that ARob will be fine when used properly. He is never going to be the type of back that is going to just blow people off the line and I don't know how many times I saw him run up the middle last year. I think ARob will be a good fit for Hermans system and I think we will see more production out of him this year.
Being conservative has nothing to do w/ being a terrible gameday coach. Both coaches were conservative. Which coach had the team better prepared X's and O's? It is cleary McCarney.
Being conservative is a trait a gameday coach possesses and in most cases makes him terrible, so yes it has a lot to do with it.
Also having better prepared X's and O's means the coach did his job before gameday.
They're both awful gameday coaches. Gene's teams couldn't get plays in on time, Dan enjoyed making ridiculous decisions off coin tosses, sat on 7 point leads, etc. They both were and still are horrid gameday coaches.
This I can agree with.
I will go to my grave wondering why Dan McCarney took the ball first in an OT game though.
Newsflash for the ignorant Clone fan - Iowa started just as many, if not more, underclassmen last year. And I agreed that LJ would have started for Iowa.
I will also ask why Chizik was able to score a very high profile head coaching job after what he displayed at ISU and Dan can't even land a head coaching job at such powerhouses as Northern Illinois, Army, etc.
PS...not defending Chizik...I agree he is slime.
PS...not defending Chizik...I agree he is slime.
B/C of his pedigree as an assistant and the fact that the Auburn Athletic Department daily eats entire sheets of acid
One is still a head coach and one is not (although he has tried multiple times). Those be the facts.
Ok I agree with this. I was thinking more along of the lines of getting the guys ready to play on gameday. Most coaches have their entire gameplan drawn up before the game, and don't have to do a ton of gameday coaching. Sure there are adjustments that need to be made, but 90% of the coaching comes during the week before the game. Looking at that, you can't say that Chizik was better than Dan. And I am not even a big Dan fan
I think we are slicing hairs to say one was any better than the other on gameday.
Preparation is a whole different story, but in game calls and adjustments left much to be desired for both.
Mac came up with some of the best game plans I have ever seen. How many times did we jump out to a lead against a much better team....I remember quite a few. However, his HUGE downfall was making in-game adjustments. We would get the lead, and then get blown out of the water in the 2nd half. Some of this was being conservative, some was just being out-coached. This was by far the most frustrating thing about Mac, and ultimately why I was ok with us getting a new coach.
Chizik was poor on both accounts - coming up with a game plan and in-game adjustments/calls. I've never seen such poor adjustments on the defensive side of the ball, and such poor play-calling on the offensive side (particularly in the red zone).
To me, our biggest deficiency the last couple of years was coaching. We definitely lack in the talent department.....especially depth-wise.....but clearly there are coaches out there (Boise, Utah, Wake, etc) getting more from the guys they have on the roster. I believe we are very close to having the talent to make it to bowl games on the roster right now. We lack somewhat on defense overall, and possibly on the OL. That said, if the current guys can grow a little, combined with some good coaching, we will be able to make bowl games soon.
Chizik was poor on both accounts - coming up with a game plan and in-game adjustments/calls. I've never seen such poor adjustments on the defensive side of the ball, and such poor play-calling on the offensive side (particularly in the red zone).
To me, our biggest deficiency the last couple of years was coaching. We definitely lack in the talent department.....especially depth-wise.....but clearly there are coaches out there (Boise, Utah, Wake, etc) getting more from the guys they have on the roster. I believe we are very close to having the talent to make it to bowl games on the roster right now. We lack somewhat on defense overall, and possibly on the OL. That said, if the current guys can grow a little, combined with some good coaching, we will be able to make bowl games soon.
CycloneErik
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In fact, you did better than that as far as fairness goes, as you indicated several Cyclones that could start for Iowa.
I guess I don't know why we're debating it after a 10-loss season. After beating Iowa this fall, that's when we debate it:smile:
You're right about DJK15. I just like yanking his chain. His post are pretty good.
The truth is, it is hard to determine how many ISU players could start for Iowa -- or Nebraska, or Wisconsin, or Minnesota, or Illinois. I think ISU has talented players, but have been held back because of some questionable coaching.