Tough day for EIU hoops hopes

At this stage in the season, them hypothetically picking up two wins out of a 30-game schedule isn't going to move their NET much at all. And, then you are talking about their 2/30th of a season impacting 1/30th of our season. Beyond that, what exactly do we need help with/for?

Forcing Iowa winning out on Torvik...

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Not gonna happen, but they actually still have some cushion.

They do have opportunities to make a resume for themselves, though. Their remaining schedule...

Q1 v. Wisconsin
Q1 @ Michigan St.
Q1 @ Illinois
Q3 v. Penn St.
Q1 @ Northwestern
Q1 v. Illinois
 
Forcing Iowa winning out on Torvik...

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Not gonna happen, but they actually still have some cushion.

They do have opportunities to make a resume for themselves, though. Their remaining schedule...

Q1 v. Wisconsin
Q1 @ Michigan St.
Q1 @ Illinois
Q3 v. Penn St.
Q1 @ Northwestern
Q1 v. Illinois
There is no way they win any of those on the road. Not one.
 
At this stage in the season, them hypothetically picking up two wins out of a 30-game schedule isn't going to move their NET much at all. And, then you are talking about their 2/30th of a season impacting 1/30th of our season. Beyond that, what exactly do we need help with/for?

Wisconsin and Illinois are direct competition for NCAA tourney seeding and Omaha placement
 
There is no way they win any of those on the road. Not one.
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My 2 cents Iowa can be a good job just need the right coach Lute and Dr. Tom both made it formidable.
Their fans are as fickle as can be though.
Agree, I think it's at least middle of the Big 10 pack as far as being a 'good' job. Always going to be 2nd fiddle men's basketball program in the state though, so long as we have TJ/competent coaching, so that hurts it. It has been too long since they have been consistently good on a national level, so ultimately I have a hard time seeing them surpass ISU in relevancy or popularity. It will be even harder to keep up so long as the Big 12 can maintain this national perception that it is essentially the SEC of men's college basketball. On the other hand, the Big 10 is SO down these days, that eventually someone will have an opportunity to seize power. Izzos better days are long gone. Painter has a lot of years left if he wants to keep coaching. But realistically a top 3 or even 2 spot is up for grabs in that conference starting like 5 years ago. But like Iowa, there are better jobs in the conference that are currently in a state of dormancy. Just off the top of my head Ohio State, Minnesota, Maryland, Michigan, and Indiana. Then you have Michigan State which will come open in the next few years, Wisconsin will eventually move on from stagnant Greg Gard, and programs like Nebraska and Rutgers who are kind of trending up. Whoever is next in line at Iowa will certainly have their work cut out for them, but it's still anyone's game. If I'm Beth Goetz, give Fran maybe one more year to see if he's got any more surprise Murray twins or Garzas coming in, and if not, cut him loose and eat the payout, but don't lose a competitive advantage with your conference mates.
 
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They'll beat Penn State at home. That's the ONLY one I am giving them as a very likely win. They could catch plummeting Wisconsin this weekend that wouldn't shock me.

I wouldn't mind them knifing Wisconsin for us.

Wisconsin is a direct competitor for Omaha... knocks them down a peg or two.

Also makes the win against Iowa look that one epsilon better than it does right now.
 
Agree, I think it's at least middle of the Big 10 pack as far as being a 'good' job. Always going to be 2nd fiddle men's basketball program in the state though, so long as we have TJ/competent coaching, so that hurts it. It has been too long since they have been consistently good on a national level, so ultimately I have a hard time seeing them surpass ISU in relevancy or popularity. It will be even harder to keep up so long as the Big 12 can maintain this national perception that it is essentially the SEC of men's college basketball. On the other hand, the Big 10 is SO down these days, that eventually someone will have an opportunity to seize power. Izzos better days are long gone. Painter has a lot of years left if he wants to keep coaching. But realistically a top 3 or even 2 spot is up for grabs in that conference starting like 5 years ago. But like Iowa, there are better jobs in the conference that are currently in a state of dormancy. Just off the top of my head Ohio State, Minnesota, Maryland, Michigan, and Indiana. Then you have Michigan State which will come open in the next few years, Wisconsin will eventually move on from stagnant Greg Gard, and programs like Nebraska and Rutgers who are kind of trending up. Whoever is next in line at Iowa will certainly have their work cut out for them, but it's still anyone's game. If I'm Beth Goetz, give Fran maybe one more year to see if he's got any more surprise Murray twins or Garzas coming in, and if not, cut him loose and eat the payout, but don't lose a competitive advantage with your conference mates.

They're about to add UCLA -- historically one of the powers of the sport in the West. Oregon's not bad either, USC has had its moments, though UW has never been much of a basketball school.

All that travel and jet lag is going to suck for their western teams, though.
 
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Forcing home wins and road losses...

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So, yeah. They need those Q1 road wins if they're going to go anywhere.
Imagine when (not if, unfortunately) those a-holes expand the tournament, pretty much all these teams will get in, other than a few more random mid-major schools to make it easier to defend their greed-based decision. Oh wait, Drake & Appy State are listed, that'll cover it for them, LOL, sigh.
 
Imagine when (not if, unfortunately) those a-holes expand the tournament, pretty much all these teams will get in, other than a few more random mid-major schools to make it easier to defend their greed-based decision. Oh wait, Drake & Appy State are listed, that'll cover it for them, LOL, sigh.

64 is such the perfect number.

It's basically a series of four-team tournaments on three successive weekends. The sort that basketball teams have been having since before the stars were formed and will forever.

Winners move on. Losers go home.

Expanding it would be a tragedy.

Even the 68 "First Four" nonsense is stupid.
 
64 is such the perfect number.

It's basically a series of four-team tournaments on three successive weekends. The sort that basketball teams have been having since before the stars were formed and will forever.

Winners move on. Losers go home.

Expanding it would be a tragedy.

Even the 68 "First Four" nonsense is stupid.

I tend to agree...but I recall pushback when the tourney went from 48 to 64. If they do expand it...they should just double it twice and include almost everyone.
 
I tend to agree...but I recall pushback when the tourney went from 48 to 64. If they do expand it...they should just double it twice and include almost everyone.

Adding another weekend with four-team "pods" gives you 256.

256/362 = 70.7% of teams

That new "first weekend" would be dreadful, though. You would need to have 64 games each on the first Thursday and Friday instead of the traditional 16. It would be unwatchable.

You also lose all intrigue about who is going to make the tournament throughout the season. Every P6 team would make the tournament outside of some historical-level exceptions. I can't imagine putting together that bracket is going to be much fun for the poor committee, which does enough as it is now.

The games would be bad, too. I think it's a dirty little secret the first two days of the NCAA tournament are rather boring most of the time. There are occasional exciting upsets, but it is mostly good teams blowing out overmatched teams. The interesting basketball where good/peer teams start playing each other with everything on the line only starts on the first Saturday and Sunday with the Ro32 games for the Sweet Sixteen.

After that it's great.
 
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