I got it at +3000 in Nov
Of course, will probably turn out like my Purdy MVP bet. Close but no cigar.
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I got it at +3000 in Nov
Of course, will probably turn out like my Purdy MVP bet. Close but no cigar.
You're entitled to your opinion but I just don't see it. I think that team would have won the national title or at least gotten to the Final if we didn't run into Michigan State in their backyard. I've heard many analysts call that the defacto championship game.
This year's team is good and I understand it's a different landscape than 24 years ago, but I don't think you can say this years team has national title potential like the 00 team and to me that's the difference.
It was mostly a rhetorical question.
Yet, I appreciate the answers in mutual amazement at the quality of the coaching and the program building.
I'm holding an ISU +3000 ticket that I bought in Oct.BIG 12 WINNER ODDS
2023-24 Big 12 Opening Odds
Listed below are the opening odds to win the 2023-24 Big 12 Regular Season.
Kansas Jayhawks +200
Houston Cougars +400
Texas Longhorns +700
Baylor Bears +850
Texas Christian Horned Frogs +900
Texas Tech Red Raiders +1400
Iowa State Cyclones +1400
Kansas State Wildcats +1500
West Virginia Mountaineers +2500
Brigham Young Cougars +3000
Cincinnati Bearcats +3500
Oklahoma State Cowboys +4000
Oklahoma Sooners +5500
Central Florida Knights +10000
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I just threw a few bucks on ISU at +5000 for the Natl. Title!
I disagree, I think the product is actually watered down a bit since 2000. In the age of transfers and not much roster continuity, I think that even proves how dominate they were. I mean, I think the relative competition level is higher than it is now in college basketball. I realize the Big 12 as a whole is probably better now though.
As much as I love Lipsey, Gilbert, and Jones, that backcourt was in a league all its own without even counting Fizer. I'd take Tinsley, Horton, Nurse over the current group.
I don't know. The 2000 team was literally unbeatable in Hilton but Houston lost in their first game there.
1) The Hilton court will be named after Otz by the time he is done
2) The Mountain West is making a run to take over the Pac-12's spot in the P6 when the Pac 12 goes away this summer... The Mountain West lacks a 1 seed, but no one wants to play SDSU when the bracket is released in 5 weeks
Withhold excitement and temper expectations. That was cool to see on X, hope this team can continue to grow and get that complete dominance takeover factor that I believe the 2000 team had. The FTs last game were something to be excited about and the versatility of winning under this team is amazing. Bodes well for several more road victories.
I will at least say that we should judge it at the end of the year. Could be a silly comparison by then. Could be a serious one. This team has placed itself in a spot where the latter is at least possible.
Stevie averaged 9.1 points per game hitting 2/3 of his shots and also nabbed over 2 offensive rebounds a game. I wouldn't say that would be "not giving much offensively." That is right in line with Curtis Jones' and Tre King's scoring in similar minutes.
The comparing teams from different eras things is fun but is always so pointless to me. Totally different styles of basketball as the game evolves. Just a minor example of how much the game has changed. The 1999-2000 team attempted 14 threes a game which was 161st in the country, so almost smack dab in the middle (318 D1 teams at the time). This year's team is just shy of 19 threes per game which is 297th in the country (out of 351). Arkansas shot the most threes in 99-00 with 832 on the season in 34 games. North Florida has already shot 866 this season in 26 games and Arkansas' 832 would have been tied for 50th last season. Different game.
Isn't it already named after Johnny?
And I agree with you about the Mountain West. It's close to a power conference as it is right now and probably should be considered the western power conference once the Pac-12 vaporizes here soon and the de facto Pac-12 remnants (and poor OR St. and WA St.) end up joining with the MWC.
I don't think it should be one for football, but it has a compelling case for hoops.
I'd love to see Watson become Stevie Johnson (or Dustin Hogue) next year. (Replying to VeloClone)
I wouldn't be surprised to see Gonzaga jump there if it keeps up (if they don't come to the Big 12).
Colorado State is terrifying as well. Ball dominant point guard that's scored a million points and 8 other guys on the roster that shoot the 3 at a high clip.
It's a good league. They've made the wise, IMO, decision to dump a bunch of their football money into basketball and it's really paid off for them.
Well this is interested. ISU in the Final Four with KU right behind and Houston nowhere to be found.
I'm drinking the Kool-Aid, but I don't know about that.
I'm drinking the Kool-Aid, but I don't know about that.
And that's with the 3 point line being over 2 feet closer back then too.