*** Official #14 IOWA STATE vs Texas (SAMSUBA) Game(Day) Thread ***

I bandwagonned onto the Nuggets when they drafted Monte and kept watching after they traded him. They had the best player in the world and were best team in the world…I probably still wouldn’t have enjoyed a single game if I had ZRF’s outlook. They’d be spraying champagne and I’d be talking about mistakes.
Nuggets are a fun team to watch and follow. Wish they would trade for Monte and bring him back where he belongs
 

Jeremiah Williams has sure had a rough past 2 years. He is finally playing now for Rutgers, after a "15 game" plus NCAA suspension for gambling.

Regardless of all that, I hope his Achilles recovery is going well. Sounds like it is.
 
Pavs and Watson's advanced stats per EvanMiya suggest they are guys that should be bordering between DNPs and spot minutes in certain situations. That's what they're getting. If you drop the min. possessions, Watson is similar overall to Pavs, slightly better. Not surprisingly the offense is better with Pavs and defense better with Watson.

On the flipside of your typical arguments, Rob Jones is significantly better than Ward in BPR overall, and even both offense and defense, Adjusted Team Efficiency overall, offensive adjusted Team Efficiency, Adjusted Team Defensive Efficiency by a large margin. I love Ward, and I do think we keep seeing his minutes creep up, particularly against the longer teams that are more inside-out focused. But Rob has outplayed him per advanced stats overall. Ward deserves some leeway returning from an injury.

TJ has nailed the personnel and playing time. When things weren't going well for Curtis Jones, he stuck with him over Pavs and Watson, and that was clearly the right move. He's stuck with this roughly 50-50 minute breakdown between Rob and Ward, and that looks to be the right thing to do. He's playing King as much as he can and getting spot mins from Watson or going small w/ Milan at the 4, and that's working.

TJ's rotation and minutes are working. The only one of your arguments that you have made that hold any water is you play Watson over Pavs when needed. And that's a marginal difference over few possessions, so I'm not sure that would work out. So I still say these guys get spot minutes because they help King and the guards, particularly Gilbert and Milan maximize efficiency by having gas in the tank and not worrying about foul trouble so much.

And maybe in past years TJ was just saying, if a program like ISU is going to make final fours, we need complete commitment at practice, in workouts, whatever it is, and Rob exemplifies that. Rob's playing time in past years (not this year) was greater than production suggested. But we've got a monster culture at ISU, and Rob's a big part of that. As much as coaches want to think patronizing players for it, or chewing them out if they don't, you get the actions that get playing time. Period. That's the language players speak.

The bold simply is not true. I have no idea where you are getting these "numbers" from.

Ward actually leads the team in BPM during conference play. Better than Lipsey, better than Keshon...CuJo...everyone INCLUDING BRE. That's not to say BRE has played bad, he hasn't. What is abundantly clear is that length and athleticism become more valuable against elite competition (ie athleticism) which is exactly what happens during big 12 play. Relative to the rest of the year Pavs is passable against weak competition while Jones is borderline elite. The lack of athleticism is almost never exploited on the defensive end whereas moves constituting an utter lack of footspeed work. But in the Big 12? That **** doesn't work, and especially against mobile bigs (like a Disu or when we played Uconn last year) Rob's weaknesses are magnified. Hell, the entire team's weaknesses get magnifified but it's those extremely unathletic players that struggle moreso.

In a game with the lead Otz needs to utilize better rotations, leaning on his athletic mobile players that can defend, cover the floor, and maybe more importantly guard the 3. Lipsey, CuJo, Ward, Watson (he becomes more valuable here), Keshon, and even Milan are better players to have out there.

Ward is a better passer, defender, weakside defender, rebounder, transition player, rotational player, and a superior disruptor to Jones. Jones' big advantage on Ward his his moves/shot in the post. He has a superior hook/short range jumper. At the end of the game, ESPECIALLY with the lead and against a player like Disu, Ward is the infinitely better player to have on the floor. The eye test says it. The advance stats say it. It's not even close.

I'd be willing to be a large sum of money, if one could ask Big 12 coaches in confidence, who we should have on the floor at the end of the game I can guarantee you Ward would be the consensus answer. It's not a knock on Jones as much as it is stating Ward is the better player, and the player best suited for those situations.

I'm sorry, anyone that can't see Pavs is out of his league in Big 12 play is either blind, ignorant, or both. Putting him in any meaningful game when not ABSOLUTELY necessary is handicapping our ability to win. Don't believe what I said, just click on the link below. Then compare and contrast non-con to in-conference performance. It's pretty clear who should play (or play more) and who should sit. Both on the overall and situationally.

 
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What the absolute hell?
Locked on should be ashamed. Unless, 'some dude in his kitchen willing to spend 30 min talking about your team' is their niche.
Fanatic interviewed him prior to the Texas Football game. Very knowledgeable and friendly type, but he drew a blank when Grant Mahoney finished the interview by asking if he ever met Pole Assassin or her monkey.
 
The bold simply is not true. I have no idea where you are getting these "numbers" from.

Ward actually leads the team in BPM during conference play. Better than Lipsey, better than Keshon...CuJo...everyone INCLUDING BRE. That's not to say BRE has played bad, he hasn't. What is abundantly clear is that length and athleticism become more valuable against elite competition (ie athleticism) which is exactly what happens during big 12 play. Relative to the rest of the year Pavs is passable against weak competition while Jones is borderline elite. The lack of athleticism is almost never exploited on the defensive end whereas moves constituting an utter lack of footspeed work. But in the Big 12? That **** doesn't work, and especially against mobile bigs (like a Disu or when we played Uconn last year) Rob's weaknesses are magnified. Hell, the entire team's weaknesses get magnifified but it's those extremely unathletic players that struggle moreso.

In a game with the lead Otz needs to utilize better rotations, leaning on his athletic mobile players that can defend, cover the floor, and maybe more importantly guard the 3. Lipsey, CuJo, Ward, Watson (he becomes more valuable here), Keshon, and even Milan are better players to have out there.

Ward is a better passer, defender, weakside defender, rebounder, transition player, rotational player, and a superior disruptor to Jones. Jones' big advantage on Ward his his moves/shot in the post. He has a superior hook/short range jumper. At the end of the game, ESPECIALLY with the lead and against a player like Disu, Ward is the infinitely better player to have on the floor. The eye test says it. The advance stats say it. It's not even close.

I'd be willing to be a large sum of money, if one could ask Big 12 coaches in confidence, who we should have on the floor at the end of the game I can guarantee you Ward would be the consensus answer. It's not a knock on Jones as much as it is stating Ward is the better player, and the player best suited for those situations.

I'm sorry, anyone that can't see Pavs is out of his league in Big 12 play is either blind, ignorant, or both. Putting him in any meaningful game when not ABSOLUTELY necessary is handicapping our ability to win. Don't believe what I said, just click on the link below. Then compare and contrast non-con to in-conference performance. It's pretty clear who should play (or play more) and who should sit. Both on the overall and situationally.


Do you have an 'in' that confirms how you know what the coaches need to do or why they make the decisions that they do?

Yes or no?

Do you think you have the knowledge to do such a thing if you were in the same position?

Yes or no?
 
"We're in the money, we're in the money..."

Texas' loss is our gain...

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Do you have an 'in' that confirms how you know what the coaches need to do or why they make the decisions that they do?

Yes or no?

Do you think you have the knowledge to do such a thing if you were in the same position?

Yes or no?

As usually, you ask the stupidest ******* questions on the board.

It's a message board genius. If any of us (especially myself) had said connections we wouldn't be on a message board.
 
The bold simply is not true. I have no idea where you are getting these "numbers" from.

Ward actually leads the team in BPM during conference play. Better than Lipsey, better than Keshon...CuJo...everyone INCLUDING BRE. That's not to say BRE has played bad, he hasn't. What is abundantly clear is that length and athleticism become more valuable against elite competition (ie athleticism) which is exactly what happens during big 12 play. Relative to the rest of the year Pavs is passable against weak competition while Jones is borderline elite. The lack of athleticism is almost never exploited on the defensive end whereas moves constituting an utter lack of footspeed work. But in the Big 12? That **** doesn't work, and especially against mobile bigs (like a Disu or when we played Uconn last year) Rob's weaknesses are magnified. Hell, the entire team's weaknesses get magnifified but it's those extremely unathletic players that struggle moreso.

In a game with the lead Otz needs to utilize better rotations, leaning on his athletic mobile players that can defend, cover the floor, and maybe more importantly guard the 3. Lipsey, CuJo, Ward, Watson (he becomes more valuable here), Keshon, and even Milan are better players to have out there.

Ward is a better passer, defender, weakside defender, rebounder, transition player, rotational player, and a superior disruptor to Jones. Jones' big advantage on Ward his his moves/shot in the post. He has a superior hook/short range jumper. At the end of the game, ESPECIALLY with the lead and against a player like Disu, Ward is the infinitely better player to have on the floor. The eye test says it. The advance stats say it. It's not even close.

I'd be willing to be a large sum of money, if one could ask Big 12 coaches in confidence, who we should have on the floor at the end of the game I can guarantee you Ward would be the consensus answer. It's not a knock on Jones as much as it is stating Ward is the better player, and the player best suited for those situations.

I'm sorry, anyone that can't see Pavs is out of his league in Big 12 play is either blind, ignorant, or both. Putting him in any meaningful game when not ABSOLUTELY necessary is handicapping our ability to win. Don't believe what I said, just click on the link below. Then compare and contrast non-con to in-conference performance. It's pretty clear who should play (or play more) and who should sit. Both on the overall and situationally.

This lineup is the best in the country according to Evan Miyakawa

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Additionally these are how the players grade out on our team. Minimum 300 possessions
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As usually, you ask the stupidest ******* questions on the board.

It's a message board genius. If any of us (especially myself) had said connections we wouldn't be on a message board.

There are people on here that have connections with in the program.

Why don't you answer the questions?

It's pretty simple: do you have the knowledge or confirmation on why decisions are made, to make point blank statements about what the head coach of a D1 basketball program should do or not do with players on team?

Do you think it's a negative thing to say a player is terrible, or tell someone they ask the stupidest questions on this board?
 
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This lineup is the best in the country according to Evan Miyakawa

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Additionally these are how the players grade out on our team. Minimum 300 possessions
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The bottom chart is pretty much how in my head I would have ranked the team by player value, except I would have had Ward and King switched.

If I'm reading this correctly, do these metrics seem to point toward Tamin being the 8th most effective basketball player in the country?
 
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The bold simply is not true. I have no idea where you are getting these "numbers" from.

Ward actually leads the team in BPM during conference play. Better than Lipsey, better than Keshon...CuJo...everyone INCLUDING BRE. That's not to say BRE has played bad, he hasn't. What is abundantly clear is that length and athleticism become more valuable against elite competition (ie athleticism) which is exactly what happens during big 12 play. Relative to the rest of the year Pavs is passable against weak competition while Jones is borderline elite. The lack of athleticism is almost never exploited on the defensive end whereas moves constituting an utter lack of footspeed work. But in the Big 12? That **** doesn't work, and especially against mobile bigs (like a Disu or when we played Uconn last year) Rob's weaknesses are magnified. Hell, the entire team's weaknesses get magnifified but it's those extremely unathletic players that struggle moreso.

In a game with the lead Otz needs to utilize better rotations, leaning on his athletic mobile players that can defend, cover the floor, and maybe more importantly guard the 3. Lipsey, CuJo, Ward, Watson (he becomes more valuable here), Keshon, and even Milan are better players to have out there.

Ward is a better passer, defender, weakside defender, rebounder, transition player, rotational player, and a superior disruptor to Jones. Jones' big advantage on Ward his his moves/shot in the post. He has a superior hook/short range jumper. At the end of the game, ESPECIALLY with the lead and against a player like Disu, Ward is the infinitely better player to have on the floor. The eye test says it. The advance stats say it. It's not even close.

I'd be willing to be a large sum of money, if one could ask Big 12 coaches in confidence, who we should have on the floor at the end of the game I can guarantee you Ward would be the consensus answer. It's not a knock on Jones as much as it is stating Ward is the better player, and the player best suited for those situations.

I'm sorry, anyone that can't see Pavs is out of his league in Big 12 play is either blind, ignorant, or both. Putting him in any meaningful game when not ABSOLUTELY necessary is handicapping our ability to win. Don't believe what I said, just click on the link below. Then compare and contrast non-con to in-conference performance. It's pretty clear who should play (or play more) and who should sit. Both on the overall and situationally.

Adding to this.. when you click on your T-Rank link.. it's sorted by Defensive Rebounds per minute for some reason, so Ward is on top.
 
Adding to this.. when you click on your T-Rank link.. it's sorted by Defensive Rebounds per minute for some reason, so Ward is on top

It was sorted by DBPM, which isn't rebounds rather the estimated defensive "box impact" per minute. Torvik doesn't even have the rebounds per minute, rather the percentage per minute. If you sort by that metric Omaha is at the top, followed by Watson, Gilbert, then Ward.
 
I agree with Blum that we are a no. 3 seed knocking on the door of a 2 seed. Maybe too early to speculate, but I'll say it. If we somehow beat Houston and win the regular season title ( and make a deep run in the conference tourney), you almost have to put us in the conversation for No. 1 seed, wouldn't they? Can't leave the conference champion of the best conference in the NCAA out of talk for No. 1, the way I look at it.
 
It was sorted by DBPM, which isn't rebounds rather the estimated defensive "box impact" per minute. Torvik doesn't even have the rebounds per minute, rather the percentage per minute. If you sort by that metric Omaha is at the top, followed by Watson, Gilbert, then Ward.
honestly no idea what i was looking at to make me think that lol
 
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There are people on here that have connections with in the program.

Why don't you answer the questions?

It's pretty simple: do you have the knowledge or confirmation on why decisions are made, to make point blank statements about what the head coach of a D1 basketball program should do or not do with players on team?

Do you think it's a negative thing to say a player is terrible, or tell someone they ask the stupidest questions on this board?

Because they are ******* stupid and answer themselves, dumbass.

I've never purported to have any inside connections to the program. Ever.

In terms of saying a player is terrible it's up for the players's own play and stats to dictate. It's a pretty factual and objective statement to say Paveletzke has been one of the worst players, for any team, during Big 12 play. If that hurts your feelings, maybe a message board isn't the best place for you?
 
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I agree with Blum that we are a no. 3 seed knocking on the door of a 2 seed. Maybe too early to speculate, but I'll say it. If we somehow beat Houston and win the regular season title ( and make a deep run in the conference tourney), you almost have to put us in the conversation for No. 1 seed, wouldn't they? Can't leave the conference champion of the best conference in the NCAA out of talk for No. 1, the way I look at it.
I believe one of the guys ESPN studio guys (can't remember who though) stated that he felt that the Big 12 champ (whoever it is) should be a 1 seed and I would agree with that.
 
Because they are ******* stupid and answer themselves, dumbass.

I've never purported to have any inside connections to the program. Ever.

In terms of saying a player is terrible it's up for the players's own play and stats to dictate. It's a pretty factual and objective statement to say Paveletzke has been one of the worst players, for any team, during Big 12 play. If that hurts your feelings, maybe a message board isn't the best place for you?

Do you think it's a negative thing to call someone a dumbass?

Do you think calling a player terrible is a negative thing?

Why do you make point blank concrete statements about what a coach 'needs to do' if you don't have any actual inside information or experience from within the program or team?
 

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