*** Official Kansas State vs #23 IOWA STATE Game(Day) Thread ***

Keep them off the 3 point line and I like our chances at home WITH students!

No excuses if we don't see a full student section tonight
I'm guessing the students fill the lower bowl well but there will be a fair number of open seats in the student balcony sections.
 
NEGSTIVES (by their own admission)
-They don't have a true PG, or even really any ball-handling guards.

-They want to play fast because of their shaky guard play. Sure they are sloppy at times in transition, but they don't have the guards to win in the half court
These 2 make me feel pretty good with or without Lipsey, but especially with
 
To be fair, the Valley and the A10 have just as good of shooters. Heck, even the Summit and America East have plenty of high percentage snipers, no doubt. Not trying to be a ****, and I acknowledge my rant is 100% gonna come off that way:

We play this way to take away front side drives and paint touches. We also can't just let the best athletes in "amateur" sports just run their stuff like an AAU scrimmage, put the ball on the deck, attack the rim at will, and set up shop in the paint whenever they want.

playing straight up and not "over-helping", you are just going to get beat 9 times out of 10. Players are too good now, especially when you are Iowa State and will be outgunned physically more often than not. This is why we do it, and I'm 100% on board.

Watch some Big Ten "defense" and tell me the offense isn't just running their stuff like it's a walk through... screening and cutting, driving with impunity. You can catch the same defensive display at the local Y.

I never really appreciated the difference until Green and Otz changed the way we play, and I don't even know if I could stomach going back. At least we dictate. At least we disrupt. At least we control what we can.
One can play help defense without throwing in the towel on perimeter defense. ISU does do it. But a problem I see ISU getting into is doubling players who don't need to be doubled, or trapping good ball handlers who don't turn over and can create from those double teams. I'm not saying scrap the whole thing, but it seems it could be done more judiciously at times.
 
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If this is true, and assuming Lipsey doesn't play and/or is limited, I'd really like to see Otz sick CuJo on him and see if he is prone to turning the ball over. Also, if their guard play and distribution is shaky, this is ABSOLUTELY a game where we put Hasan, Watson and Cujo out there together as much as possible and trap the **** out of them. Those 3, in addition to Milan and Gilbert/Jones is probably the best lineup to use for this in terms of defensive ability, length, and not a total cluster of offensive inability, Could be a game, much like TCU, where will demolish them with forced turnovers.
I like it. And although it's not sexy, the key is to get back and stop ball. Sounds like they want to force the issue before the defense is set even if it's not there.

Quick shots, even in the half court if need be, mean more possessions if nothing else. And based on what im hearing, they feel like that gives them the best chance to overcome their limitations. They have been relatively clutch, if nothing else.

Kind of like how we want to create chaos defensively, they want to create a little chaos with their offense. They have been net negative in turnover margin all year, so they want to string that out over more possessions and give themselves more chances to just shoot a little better when it matters most.

It's an interesting strategy. I don't know if it's sustainable, but it's not the worst strategy I've heard. If you really think you AREN'T great at anything, but maybe just good enough to always be in the fight, see if you can make enough plays to steal your way to enough W's to be successful when it's all said and done.
 
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One can play help defense without throwing in the towel on perimeter defense. ISU does do it. But a problem I see ISU getting into is doubling players who don't need to be doubled, or trapping good ball handlers who don't turn over and can create from those double teams. I'm not saying scrap the whole thing, but it seems it could be done more judiciously at times.
That's not unfair, and I hear what you are saying. And I'm not saying it's you, but lots of people are going overboard with the open 3s criticism.
 
I like it. And although it's not sexy, the key is to get back and stop ball. Sounds like they want to force the issue before the defense is set even if it's not there.

Quick shots, even in the half court if need be, mean more possessions if nothing else. And based on what im hearing, they feel like that gives them the best chance to overcome their limitations. They have been relatively clutch, if nothing else.

Kind of like how we want to create chaos defensively, they want to create a little chaos with their offense. They have been net negative in turnover margin all year, so they want to string that out over more possessions and give themselves more chances to just shoot a little better when it matters most.

It's an interesting strategy. I don't know if it's sustainable, but it's not the worst strategy I've heard. If you really think you AREN'T great at anything, but maybe just good enough to always be in the fight, see if you can make enough plays to steal your way to enough W's to be successful when it's all said and done.

We almost single handedly won the TCU game on possession disparity. That was playing on the road and against a team that's much more capable of of maintaining possession responsibility than KSU.

In terms of rotations there are 3 things I REALLY want to see tonight. One is what I stated above, using those 3 together, and for much longer stretches, than we've seen this year (unless it proves ineffective). The other is limiting the amount of time BRE, King, Omaha, and Pavs share the floor. I have no idea WTF Otz was thinking but we had 3 of those 4 on the floor, at the same time (unecessarily) for way too much against TCU and it nearly cost us, with many of their runs occurring in such situations. The last, and that's kind of in concert with the other 2, is limiting Pavs' playing time. At this point I just think Watson and to a lesser degree Omaha are much more important for the team's depth, success, and tournament prospects and would rather those minutes get allocated appropriately.

Pavs plays hard and does some things, but against P5 size and athleticism he just doesn't fit on the floor. Especially when Otz pulls his in game brain fades and puts the above line ups on the floor, it's extremely problematic.
 
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I would like to see:

-Pav and Watson actually take some shots. If they're going to be out there on the floor, they can't be guys that don't need to be guarded by the other team.
-Set up Milan for either post ups or in-rhythm/spot-up threes. That whole running turn-around 3s is way too low of a percentage shot for him to be taking. I would even be okay with him taking some shots from a few steps behind the 3-pt line if the issue is trouble getting open.
-Pick and roll action with Ward or King.
-One or two 3pt shots by King per game.
 
I would like to see:

-Pav and Watson actually take some shots. If they're going to be out there on the floor, they can't be guys that don't need to be guarded by the other team.
-Set up Milan for either post ups or in-rhythm/spot-up threes. That whole running turn-around 3s is way too low of a percentage shot for him to be taking. I would even be okay with him taking some shots from a few steps behind the 3-pt line if the issue is trouble getting open.
-Pick and roll action with Ward or King.
-One or two 3pt shots by King per game.

If Pavs is going to be on the floor he should take the shots when open. He passed up an open, in-rhythm 3 against TCU only to drive the lane where he was easily thwarted. If he's going to have offensive success in Big 12 play it's going to come from outworking his opponent away from the ball and taking/hitting the open shots he gets.

All of the best 3's he took against TCU were off of quick re-directs from Ward and King. I'd like to see more of that tonight, where the ball goes to Ward or King on the high post and have it immediately kicked to an open Milan.

We did the pick and roll a lot last year, especially in the non-con and early conference games with Osun. This year we've barely even looked to execute it, which I find befuddling as Ward would be an absolutely ******* monster with it. I'm on board, even more-so when Lipsey plays (as he is so good with his lobs/entries on it).
 

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