When do you think you will buy a 100% pure electric vehicle?
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Yes those are very good residential rates; they are more typical of commercial rates.
My solar panels pay me avoided costs (which is what the co-op pays for their electricity wholesale) for any overage and it’s higher than his .02something.
I like the auto reviews and other auto-related information found on the Motormouth channel on YouTube. They do a fair and balanced review on all the cars they test. Their Questions, Coffee, and Cars episodes are also very informative as they answer questions from their viewers. One month ago they had an episode that reported on a $60,000 battery replacement on a 2022 Hyundai IONIQ 5 in Canada. The car owner was told that the battery needed to be replaced for more than he paid for the car after learning that the battery protection cover was scratched. This brings up several questions...
- When is a battery replacement in or out of warranty?
- Why can't the dealership fix the battery or at least determine if it is damaged?
- What is the liability of the dealership and national car brand?
- Is it worth replacing batteries as the car ages?
- What is the depreciation rate on EVs (another hidden cost of car ownership)?
- Should there be clear and open disclosures on the responsible party (dealer or car owner?) for battery replacements (as it is more than what consumers expect to pay)?
Man I hope the buyers remorse gets strong enough I can get one cheap.
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As this states, it is a complicated topic. I am sure this has been already discussed ad infinitum in thus thread. This is a three-year study. The ultimate cost for ev's is hard to figure because of battery replacement somewhere down the road. Most studies, say long-term (>5 years) ownership of gas will be cheaper than ev.
When you talk about long-term ownership of gas vehicles, do you consider a complete drivetrain replacement?
Tmk, the drive train replacement is a much lower percentage than battery replacement, which frankly no one knows. I have read many studies on this topic and drive train, tmk, was never included. Personally, I have driven two different cars to 300,000 miles with no drive train issues. My company's fleet, 100 vehicles (various manufacturers) over 15 years, had a 4 drive trains replaced.
I figure I can get 300k, and can go 400-500 miles if I keep up on maintenance, easily out of an ICE. I’ve seen reports of anywhere from 100-300k miles for the batteries. You dumbed my ask about how many battery packs it would take, it is something I don’t know so I asked, this is where the discussions stop because when people ask questions, others don’t want to answer and just poo poo the question.
By that logic all the gelled up diesels show that nobody in the midwest should ever buy a diesel. Afterall yesterday the school buses here were breaking down on the route picking kids up even after a 90 minute late start.
I dumbed it because I felt like this was a dumb question to ask.
"How many battery packs does a EV go through in its life"
It's the same as asking how many engines does a car go through in it's life.
What's a "life"? If I lose 30 miles of range over 100k miles, do you think the battery needs replaced? If I use a quart of oil in my gas vehicle once it hits 100k miles, do I need to rebuild the engine.
You're right, it's more risky to buy an EV than a Toyota Camry.
The only real long term data I've seen has been on 2013 Tesla Model S that are 10+ years old and 8.5% of those had their battery replaced. What I don't know is how many miles they have on average, when they were replaced, were they under warranty, has battery tech improved in the last 10 years, etc. If I look at the tesla forums, there are a LOT of 200k+ mile owners with their original batteries but maybe this is slanted, similar to toyota forums, IDK.
The original Model S warranty covered the battery and drive units for 8 years, unlimited mileage.
I think the point here is that it’s close.
However, if you get/have solar panels on a house, it gets way, way cheaper pretty quickly.
That warranty is now either 100 or 150k and no longer unlimited. Like I said, the readings I've seen have shown anywhere from 100 to 300k miles can be expected before batteries need to be replaced. That is a broad range and appears to be more guessing. We have good data on how long an engine/drive train will last on an ICE since they have been around a long time and advancements/maintenance knowledge has improved, as I'm sure it will with EVs.
Without decent knowledge of expected battery life, it is nearly impossible to compare true cost per mile since we don't know if it will be 3 EV's to 1 ICE or the opposite or somewhere inbetween.
Just for the record 87% of all new car sales in Norway are fully electric. I mean Scandinavian countries are probably borderline tropical compared to last week but somehow they apparently make it work.
I also think EV's are currently a lot more scrunitezed than other vehicles. For example, the youtube video of the people having to replace their battery because they hit something on the road. Terrible situation but how many times do you hear about a car running over something on the interstate, hitting the engine block, and ruining the engine? How many people each year ruin their engine by hydrolock?
The dollar amount to replace that battery is what's alarming but it should be handled by insurance and not part of the warranty, since it's an accident.
The dollar amount to replace that battery is what's alarming but it should be handled by insurance and not part of the warranty, since it's an accident.
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These were some from the shorter end
Here's How Long EV Batteries Really Last
Could your EV need a costly battery replacement at 100,000 miles, or will it last far longer? Here's how long your EV's battery will last.
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This one shows a longer range.
Like you and others have said, it's hard to get a good feel when you see differences in these 3 articles, which are from trusted resources. Basically anywhere from 100k to 600k milesLoading…
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These were some from the shorter end
Here's How Long EV Batteries Really Last
Could your EV need a costly battery replacement at 100,000 miles, or will it last far longer? Here's how long your EV's battery will last.
This one shows a longer range.