Help! I'm Fat - *** Official Exercise and Weight Thread ***

[KnappShack]

Have you been suggested to take meds?

Once recently. Made me feel dizzy so I stopped. The issue returned to normal.

Also a trip to the chiropractor who looked at me with sad eyes and said he "thought there was still time"

The angry back cleared up on its own. So I'm a bit of a skeptic with some things. Not anti-science or any of that ****, but there needs to a real and pressing reason for me to med up.

Not judging anyone by any stretch. I'm sure I'll be on something soon. But I'm going to wait until it's 100% not an elective.

 

[FriendlySpartan]

Yeah I should clarify, obviously consuming an excess in calaries of super fatty foods can make you fat, but certain fats are necessary for your diet and some have said can help manage or lower weight. To just say cut out fats is categorically wrong. Look at how unsuccessful or unhealthy the "lowfat/no fat" diets or marketing has done over the years to people. Consuming certain fats can be beneficial and give you the satiety feeling, thus helping in cases of fasting or feelings of fullness in order to not snack or consume excess amounts of food as well as using fat as energy instead of storage. Plus, polyunsaturated fats are good for us, while saturated and trans fats, not so much.

Carbs - just a difference in the types of carbs you put in your body. Simple vs refined. It's as simple as not consuming excess sugar/refined carbs and consume more veggies and fruits. I'm saying quality of carbs and fats make a difference over just saying cut carbs and eat little fat as possible.

Yep most of the fat info there is correct one thing to point out though is the reason the low fat diets and foods fail is simply because they add sugar to those “low fat” foods instead so the calorie content is the same or higher and obv a diet where you can have as much sugar as you want will fail.

For carbs the difference is simple vs complex, “refined” is actually talking about processed carbs which aren’t ideal so avoid that one. Also I don’t think you understand simple carbs, as fruits are about as simple of a carb as you can get but they also are unprocessed so you still get the fiber and other nutrient benefit. There is no such thing as a low or high quality carb that’s just food guru terminology. A complex carb simply takes the body longer to digest/process which can help reduce spikes in blood sugar and sometimes energy levels. Also complex carbs can also include fiber which almost everyone needs more of but.

 

[CascadeClone]

I just wanted to say thanks to all those who were talking about 5x5 lifting a few months back. I did switch to it, and I do like it better. There was a LOT of overlap in what I was doing before, so it wasn't hugely different, but the lower reps have helped me focus on form. And being a shorter workout, I now do it 3x per week instead of 2x.

I'm not doing the barbell rows, still just scared of those lol. Doing inverted rows and dumbbell rows (lawnmowers) instead.

The only weird thing is as much as I hated deadlifts, now doing way less of them - I kind of miss them.

 

[FriendlySpartan]

Um, my doctor prescribed metformin for my PCOS and insulin resistance. Do you have credentials that make you an expert in these?

Metformin is almost always the first drug prescribed for PCOS. Ozempic likely wouldn’t get approved without a type 2 diabetes diagnosis. You could ask if you were interested but that’s pretty standard unless you are having complications.

 

[MJ29]

Metformin is almost always the first drug prescribed for PCOS. Ozempic likely wouldn’t get approved without a type 2 diabetes diagnosis. You could ask if you were interested but that’s pretty standard unless you are having complications.

Yeah, I'm not diabetic (and hoping to avoid getting there). My A1C was in the normal range too. My fasting blood sugar is the only thing I'm fighting.

 

[4theCYcle]

Yep most of the fat info there is correct one thing to point out though is the reason the low fat diets and foods fail is simply because they add sugar to those “low fat” foods instead so the calorie content is the same or higher and obv a diet where you can have as much sugar as you want will fail.

For carbs the difference is simple vs complex, “refined” is actually talking about processed carbs which aren’t ideal so avoid that one. Also I don’t think you understand simple carbs, as fruits are about as simple of a carb as you can get but they also are unprocessed so you still get the fiber and other nutrient benefit. There is no such thing as a low or high quality carb that’s just food guru terminology. A complex carb simply takes the body longer to digest/process which can help reduce spikes in blood sugar and sometimes energy levels. Also complex carbs can also include fiber which almost everyone needs more of but.

Yeah, I meant complex, lack of sleep will do that. Once I reread it I was like whoops. I do understand simple/complex just fine.

Ehh, in terms of comparisons, low vs worse may be the better word choice. With most things, moderation is key. Sure, it's nice to enjoy candy, snacks, pop, chips etc as one should enjoy themselves occasionally, but not to become ones regular diet in excess. I'm no saint anyways, as I do partake, but I don't drink pop. I just try to implement healthy practices through food, exercise, sauna, supplements in order to maintain my health. Everyone's different, I was just pointing out that history shows that carbs and fats aren't the enemy everyone makes them out to be, as long as they know the differences between them.

 

[Mr.G.Spot]

Um, my doctor prescribed metformin for my PCOS and insulin resistance. Do you have credentials that make you an expert in these?

I am not meaning what u are interpreting. Metformin is a miracle drug for those that can tolerate it and its "potential" side effects. I know a doc prescribed it......hahaha. If it was not you who stated something like "I am not taking meds until I need to like ozempic." In the next sentence, they stated they were on metformin.

I have zero expertise other than a brother who was in liver failure from Metformin and was two weeks away from dying. Dr took him off metformin and said "we know in about 3-4 weeks if we stopped in time." He was incapacitated for 90 days and the liver did repair itself. The other was a friend that was on METFORMIN and had other side effects and was miserable for 90 days. Didn't/couldn't work during this time. Again, all symptoms went away when the drug was stopped.

 

[MJ29]

I am not meaning what u are interpreting. Metformin is a miracle drug for those that can tolerate it and its "potential" side effects. I know a doc prescribed it......hahaha. If it was not you who stated something like "I am not taking meds until I need to like ozempic." In the next sentence, they stated they were on metformin.

I have zero expertise other than a brother who was in liver failure from Metformin and was two weeks away from dying. Dr took him off metformin and said "we know in about 3-4 weeks if we stopped in time." He was incapacitated for 90 days and the liver did repair itself. The other was a friend that was on METFORMIN and had other side effects and was miserable for 90 days. Didn't/couldn't work during this time. Again, all symptoms went away when the drug was stopped.

I'm sorry your brother and friend had that experience with Metformin. I've had zero side effects. None.

And, yes, I said I prefer not to take medication for weight loss. Metformin was not prescribed to me for weight loss. It was prescribed for my PCOS. And I don't know if I'd call it a miracle drug.

 

[Mr.G.Spot]

Yeah, I'm not diabetic (and hoping to avoid getting there). My A1C was in the normal range too. My fasting blood sugar is the only thing I'm fighting.

My doc told me that I have glucogenisis. When I fast my blood sugar goes up.......a1c results were normal, though. My body creates glucose when I fast. Semaglutide took my fasting glucose from118 to 80.

 

[Mr.G.Spot]

I'm sorry your brother and friend had that experience with Metformin. I've had zero side effects. None.

And, yes, I said I prefer not to take medication for weight loss. Metformin was not prescribed to me for weight loss. It was prescribed for my PCOS. And I don't know if I'd call it a miracle drug.

I'm sorry your brother and friend had that experience with Metformin. I've had zero side effects. None.

And, yes, I said I prefer not to take medication for weight loss. Metformin was not prescribed to me for weight loss. It was prescribed for my PCOS. And I don't know if I'd call it a miracle drug.

Great news on MF. Like a lot of drugs, some people just can't tolerate MF and the results can be disastrous if not closely monitored blood work during the first 180 days of taking it.

 

[cyclone4L]

My doc told me that I have glucogenisis. When I fast my blood sugar goes up.......a1c results were normal, though. My body creates glucose when I fast. Semaglutide took my fasting glucose from118 to 80.

Where does the base saccharides coming from though?

 

[carvers4math]

Once recently. Made me feel dizzy so I stopped. The issue returned to normal.

Also a trip to the chiropractor who looked at me with sad eyes and said he "thought there was still time"

The angry back cleared up on its own. So I'm a bit of a skeptic with some things. Not anti-science or any of that ****, but there needs to a real and pressing reason for me to med up.

Not judging anyone by any stretch. I'm sure I'll be on something soon. But I'm going to wait until it's 100% not an elective.

While I have been on allergy medications and had an emergency inhaler and EpiPen for years, at least I have avoided things that old people usually wind up needing so far. When the EpiPen expires, I get this weird vibe like, damn I bought this and didn’t get stung by a bee. At least I always need the inhaler at some point, there is a lot of smoke in the world.

 

[besserheimerphat]

I just wanted to say thanks to all those who were talking about 5x5 lifting a few months back. I did switch to it, and I do like it better. There was a LOT of overlap in what I was doing before, so it wasn't hugely different, but the lower reps have helped me focus on form. And being a shorter workout, I now do it 3x per week instead of 2x.

I'm not doing the barbell rows, still just scared of those lol. Doing inverted rows and dumbbell rows (lawnmowers) instead.

The only weird thing is as much as I hated deadlifts, now doing way less of them - I kind of miss them.

If you miss them, do them more. There's nothing magic about any routine you pick. Or, maybe you can up the weight a bit to get the same amount of "mental challenge" out of fewer reps.

And don't be scared of rows - they are actually a great accessory for deadlifts! Flex your knees and bend at your hips while keeping your spine neutral, similar to a conventional deadlift starting position. Assuming you can deadlift more than you can row, you shouldn't be at any risk to injur your back. If you flex your core hard during the movement, it will further stiffen your trunk and provide more support for your spine (same for deadlifts).

 

[besserheimerphat]

Where does the base saccharides coming from though?

The body creates glucose from just about anything. Your brain ONLY runs on glucose. If you eat only protein, your body converts some of it to glucose. If you eat only fat, your body converts some if it to glucose. If you don't eat at all, your body breaks down your own muscle and fat to create glucose. Your body creates glucose out of whatever is available.

What your body can't do is turn carbs into proteins or fats. That's why carbohydrates are not an "essential nutrient" like protein and fat are. And while plants do contain some proteins, none of them contain all 9 of the essential proteins. Only animal products contain all of the necessary proteins in a single food source.

Blood glucose will vary day-to-day though. You can't tell much from a single fasting glucose reading. Sometimes it will be fine, other times it might be elevated. A single reading isn’t enough to make a diagnosis. You have to see what it's doing over time. An A1c is basically a "3 month average" glucose reading, but it isn't limited to fasting only. So it may indicate that on average you're fine, but you could have big peaks and valleys which aren't good either.

 

[Mr.G.Spot]

Where does the base saccharides coming from though?

My body creates it; hence glucogenisis. Some with more knowledge can help.

 

[mkadl]

Yep most of the fat info there is correct one thing to point out though is the reason the low fat diets and foods fail is simply because they add sugar to those “low fat” foods instead so the calorie content is the same or higher and obv a diet where you can have as much sugar as you want will fail.

For carbs the difference is simple vs complex, “refined” is actually talking about processed carbs which aren’t ideal so avoid that one. Also I don’t think you understand simple carbs, as fruits are about as simple of a carb as you can get but they also are unprocessed so you still get the fiber and other nutrient benefit. There is no such thing as a low or high quality carb that’s just food guru terminology. A complex carb simply takes the body longer to digest/process which can help reduce spikes in blood sugar and sometimes energy levels. Also complex carbs can also include fiber which almost everyone needs more of but.

So not unlike REAL ice cream. The fat ties up the carbs? I read the book The Zone years ago. Is the zone style thinking still a thing or has it gone beyond that thinking a bit?

 

[mkadl]

The body creates glucose from just about anything. Your brain ONLY runs on glucose. If you eat only protein, your body converts some of it to glucose. If you eat only fat, your body converts some if it to glucose. If you don't eat at all, your body breaks down your own muscle and fat to create glucose. Your body creates glucose out of whatever is available.

What your body can't do is turn carbs into proteins or fats. That's why carbohydrates are not an "essential nutrient" like protein and fat are. And while plants do contain some proteins, none of them contain all 9 of the essential proteins. Only animal products contain all of the necessary proteins in a single food source.

Blood glucose will vary day-to-day though. You can't tell much from a single fasting glucose reading. Sometimes it will be fine, other times it might be elevated. A single reading isn’t enough to make a diagnosis. You have to see what it's doing over time. An A1c is basically a "3 month average" glucose reading, but it isn't limited to fasting only. So it may indicate that on average you're fine, but you could have big peaks and valleys which aren't good either.

Thank you. I will read more about this. This is basic health stuff. I do realize that everyone metabolizes different. It is not one size fits all. Finding your niche may be a fountain of youth. (my mother just turned 100) You dont want to know what she ate for 90 years. Having a conversation with her today is not a problem. Just trying to figure it out for me!!!

 

[besserheimerphat]

It took a while, but I finally found the podcast that discusses how lean mass percentage can be calculated. The topic is losing fat vs muscle, but to talk about the studies that address it they have to discuss how body composition is measured. The real content starts at 13 minutes; jump to that point if you want to skip the chit-chat.

 

[besserheimerphat]

Thank you. I will read more about this. This is basic health stuff. I do realize that everyone metabolizes different. It is not one size fits all. Finding your niche may be a fountain of youth. (my mother just turned 100) You dont want to know what she ate for 90 years. Having a conversation with her today is not a problem. Just trying to figure it out for me!!!

I didn't learn it until I was diagnosed as Type II diabetic about 8 years ago. This was part of the "welcome to life as a diabetic" class they prescribed. I was fortunate to be able to lose a significant amount of weight a few years ago and am now able to manage it with diet and exercise. But if I get lax, like over the holidays, my fasting blood sugar goes up FAST.

 

[Mr.G.Spot]

The body creates glucose from just about anything. Your brain ONLY runs on glucose. If you eat only protein, your body converts some of it to glucose. If you eat only fat, your body converts some if it to glucose. If you don't eat at all, your body breaks down your own muscle and fat to create glucose. Your body creates glucose out of whatever is available.

What your body can't do is turn carbs into proteins or fats. That's why carbohydrates are not an "essential nutrient" like protein and fat are. And while plants do contain some proteins, none of them contain all 9 of the essential proteins. Only animal products contain all of the necessary proteins in a single food source.

Blood glucose will vary day-to-day though. You can't tell much from a single fasting glucose reading. Sometimes it will be fine, other times it might be elevated. A single reading isn’t enough to make a diagnosis. You have to see what it's doing over time. An A1c is basically a "3 month average" glucose reading, but it isn't limited to fasting only. So it may indicate that on average you're fine, but you could have big peaks and valleys which aren't good either.

Cool. Thanks for the explanation. I have had this 15 years?? Always elevated fasting and a1c is high normal.