So do you think Iowa fans and media/journalists should have still been upset with the call days later... and calling it a bad call, or a controversial call?
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So do you think Iowa fans and media/journalists should have still been upset with the call days later... and calling it a bad call, or a controversial call?
They can be one in the same in my mind. It was just such a weird play that is rarely seen and obviously being in the stadium we all thought they overturned it because review thought he called a fair catch, which isn't what they called. None of us had ever heard of an "invalid" fair catch signal at that time.
Iowa fans won't know true heartbreak until you think you had the game won and it's ripped away from you by the officials who made the wrong call. Iowa State has plenty of examples
I get why it is hard to come to grips with it as I will die on the hill that what Cooper did gained no competitive advantage whatsoever with this particular play. Minnesota did not let up at all, nor should they have, and I also don't think Fleck saw anything out of sorts either with the way he reacted because he wasn't yelling for a review or anything.
But at the same time, apparently the correct call was made no matter how trivial.
Did he waive? A simple yes or no will suffice.
Also, you didn’t answer how MN couldn’t have seen DeJean waive, but return teams get it right almost always.
Invalid fair catch isn't even technically listed as being reviewable either. I'm glad this call has at least let Iowa and Iowa State fans come together in solidarity
I think he did wave as I've said many times. Do I think it affected the outcome of the play outside of getting overturned on replay, no I do not.
See Section 3 (Reviewable Plays), article 4, point g.
It straight up says, "Receiving team advancing after a fair catch signal." is a reviewable play.
An invalid fair catch signal is a type of fair catch signal.
"Receiving team advancing after a fair catch signal" is reviewable. Rule 12 Section 3, Article 4g.
There are two types of fair catch signals: valid and invalid. The omission of an adjective in this quote from the rule book implies that they are referring to both types. That is my interpretation anyway.
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They have different definitions so I think it'd make sense to list them both if we're going to apply technicalities. As I said invalid fair catch is not listed
That is an interesting part for sure. It says that a "Fair Catch" signal can be reviewed, but doesn't say anything about an "Invalid Fair Catch" signal. I'm not sure if it being a TD overrides that or not, but even during TD reviews only so much of the play can actually be reviewed like you can't go back into the play and call a holding or something.
Of course you don’t, because you don’t want to.
Just like you think it’s not reviewable. You wish it wasn’t, and refuse to see that there’s no question it is.
Just acknowledge DeJean either should have known the rules or shouldn’t have tried to game the system in that situation. After all the rule was designed specifically to keep players from gaming the system by giving ambiguous signals.
Just keep clinging on to the stupidity
I think they want to claim this as "fair catch" but they can't have it both ways imo if you're going to say technically he waved his hand below his shoulders which is an invalid fair catch which we all know now is different type of wave then your regular fair catch then you need to list it as that in the rulebook imo.
He should have known the rules for sure and I don't think he was trying to deceive anyone as it wasn't even close to being a legal fair catch signal. I think he was waving to get the blockers away from the football because a punt landed on a blocker during the PSU game. But again, he should have known the rules. We all know the rules now. Like I said just a very bizarre play.
Yeah you can't go back and call a holding because it's a penalty. There was no penalty on the play. It was reviewing whether it was a dead ball they same way you review if it's dead because the player stepped out of bounds.
None of which is relevant here. If you don't like the rule then get it changed. It doesn't matter if you accept the rule. The NCAA doesn't care. Row the Boat doesn't care. None of us on CF care! Take your L and move on.
I think multiple things can be true here - The refs ended up making the right call and Iowa got screwed
I don't neccesarily feel bad for Hawk fans based off of how their season is going and the fact that they still had a chance to win but if this happened to ISU I'd still be upset about it
I don't neccesarily feel bad for Hawk fans based off of how their season is going and the fact that they still had a chance to win but if this happened to ISU I'd still be upset about it
Iowa got screwed by the Moon Family Head Coach's nepotism and disdain. If they weren't trying to start a QB who isn't qualified to run anything more complicated than a meat raffle, the call wouldn't have mattered,