F*CK IOWA
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You are totally ignoring the reason this rule was added in the first place. Instead of the officials having to make a judgement you then have every player on the punt coverage team having to make the judgement on every punt. It was put in place because punt coverage was put in an unfair position when returners would make a fair catch signal below their head trying to fool the coverage team. Nobody wants a 15 yard penalty so they slow up and then the returner gets a big return. It was happening often enough that they felt they needed to add a rule to protect the game.
Many rules have been added to remove blatant trickery (gaming the rules). For example you cannot hide a ball under your jersey. That was happening in the early years of football so they added a rule to keep it from happening. It wasn't in the spirit of the game.
But in the NCAA rules both place kicks and punts are considered scrimmage kicks. Drop kicks are as well but nobody uses them anymore except as a very, very rare novelty.
ARTICLE 10 a A legal scrimmage kick is a punt, drop kick or place kick made according to rule
I think what we all should take from this important lively discussion is once a ball is punted it becomes Schrodinger's ball
That was one of the biggest kick to the nuts I've ever had as a sports fan and I've had a lot. Probably because I was at the game, which made it worse and the fact that no one knew this rule existed before, which again is compounded by being at the game because you don't get the immediate explanation of what the heck happened.
What makes it hard is that it is maybe technically the correct call, but how many calls don't get made that could be technically the correct call over the course of a game? What Cooper did was not deliberate and no one in the stadium including the opposing fans, coaching staff and players thought for even one second that Cooper called anything close to a fair catch.
Cooper was trying to get Iowa players away from the football by waving below the shoulders with his left arm and pointing with his right arm when he was still a long ways away from the ball. Then when he gets to the area of the ball landing, he fields the punt and dodges immediate tackle attempts by Minnesota and then busted it for a TD. Then after a lengthy review they called the invalid signal reversal. It was really stuff to stomach then and still bad now as what Cooper did had no bearing on the outcome of that play IMO.
Again just a kick to the nuts. Stadium went from don't think we could win, to an amazing play, then a review where we all thought they were reviewing if he was in bounds and then stadium goes crazy again when they showed him clearly in bounds to the invalid signal call. Just a crazy swing of emotions in a short amount of time.
What makes it hard is that it is maybe technically the correct call, but how many calls don't get made that could be technically the correct call over the course of a game? What Cooper did was not deliberate and no one in the stadium including the opposing fans, coaching staff and players thought for even one second that Cooper called anything close to a fair catch.
Cooper was trying to get Iowa players away from the football by waving below the shoulders with his left arm and pointing with his right arm when he was still a long ways away from the ball. Then when he gets to the area of the ball landing, he fields the punt and dodges immediate tackle attempts by Minnesota and then busted it for a TD. Then after a lengthy review they called the invalid signal reversal. It was really stuff to stomach then and still bad now as what Cooper did had no bearing on the outcome of that play IMO.
Again just a kick to the nuts. Stadium went from don't think we could win, to an amazing play, then a review where we all thought they were reviewing if he was in bounds and then stadium goes crazy again when they showed him clearly in bounds to the invalid signal call. Just a crazy swing of emotions in a short amount of time.
Very few, I'm guessing. My girlfriend got it wrong when we were talking about it. That's actually part of the reason it's a good trivia question.
That said, these in game trivia things are supposed to be light and fun. The timing makes it even worse, but there is NEVER a good time to put a giant picture of Hitler on the video board at a sporting event.
Welcome to officiating. Some calls will go in favor of your team, other calls will not go in favor of your team. And if a player commits an infraction but it wasn't deliberate, it is still an infraction.
Cooper's actions were against the rules. The officials got together and made the correct call in the end in accordance to the rules. That's all anyone should expect from officiating: Getting the call right
How do we know the that not even 1 of the 11 on Minnesota's punt team didn't think he called a fair catch and let up for even a moment? I'm assuming this rule is in place to make sure there is no deception, and I dont think there is a way to prove there was no deception here.
This is not how the rule works. See the video in post #592.
If the punt is muffed the kicking team can absolutely recover the ball. The only thing the invalid fair catch call changes is the ability to advance the ball. It doesn't even afford any protection to the returner like a fair catch signal does.
I agree with you, just tough to stomach and ISU fans would be crying all over the internet like Iowa fans are if it happened to them in this fashion as well. Enjoy the tears.
Yeah, I figured that's what it says, but there's some wiggle room for creative interpretation and I'll always pick the most inappropriate path.
Not Kirk's arms. When runs, his jaw moves from chomping on his gum. I think he chews it faster when he gets angry.
I think if you can find a way to be brutally and objectively honest with yourself, which I get is hard to do as a fan especially one who was there in person...
Then I think you'd agree it's justifiably reasonable to assume that.
But it is 100% unreasonable to say you KNOW that.
So that is the third narrative I have heard. First it was "he was just directing the Iowa players on who to block" to "that is how he runs" to "he was just trying to get Iowa players away from the football"
The truth is we don't know what he was doing.
Officials got it right.
Move the ball 20 yards and kick a field goal and they would have won the game.
Guess I should say I don't think it was a deliberate attempt to deceive Minnesota. I think he was trying to get Iowa players to stay away from the ball because it burned us earlier this year.
“…maybe technically the correct call…”
There is nothing maybe about it my man.
How many bottles did you throw on to the field?
Yep. In hindsight, had the officials blown the ball dead once he touched it for giving an invalid signal, there would be no beef by Iowa. But I understand why they let the play proceed and then check on replay.
I would feel sorry for Iowa fans, but their coach repeatedly claims "he runs like that." No dude. Quit lying straight to our face and STFU. No one believes that except the mass ignorance of the Iowa fanbase.