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Mr Janny said:
Again a kick is not a punt.

Also, if it's live, why can't the kicking team recover it and take possession of it hasn't been touched by the receiving team?
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I've already explained it, using the language directly from the NCAA rule book. You can refuse to believe it, but that doesn't make me wrong.

Also, a punt is considered a "scrimmage kick" and falls under the "Kicks" section of the rule book -- so yes, the word "kick" still applies.

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Legal and Illegal Kicks
ARTICLE 10.a. A legal scrimmage kick is a punt, drop kick or place kick made according to rule.
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Mr Janny said:
Again a kick is not a punt.

Also, if it's live, why can't the kicking team recover it and take possession of it hasn't been touched by the receiving team?
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Because it has crossed the LOS, they can advance the ball behind the LOS, but once it crosses it, the moment they touch it but becomes a dead ball. A punt behind the LOS can be advanced forward as long as the ball has not crossed the LOS, once it has, the kicking team can no longer advance it towards their goal unless it was touched by the receiving team.
 
Mr Janny said:
Again a kick is not a punt.

Also, if it's live, why can't the kicking team recover it and take possession of it hasn't been touched by the receiving team?
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Seriously, why are you trying to make this more difficult than it is. Fair catch interference can occur before the ball is fielded by the receiving team, and it is a live ball foul.
 
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Pitt_Clone said:
You're really not getting it. At all. It's not only about protection of the returner. If you took away the invalid fair catch rule you would have returners doing all kinds of arm motions trying to get as close as they can to a fair catch signal without actually doing it, to try and fool the kicking team into letting up. Which is exactly what happened on that play.
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That is why I am suggesting that it be a live ball unless the returner has waved his hand clearly above his head. Why make the official decide if the returner is trying to deceive the defenders or just running over to the ball? Make him chose hand up, dead ball, anything else, live ball.
 
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SEIOWA CLONE said:
That is why I am suggesting that it be a live ball unless the returner has waved his hand clearly above his head. Why make the official decide if the returner is trying to deceive the defenders or just running over to the ball? Make him chose hand up, dead ball, anything else, live ball.
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Are you suggesting that football change the punt receiving rules to kick off rules?
 
madguy30 said:
Are you suggesting that football change the punt receiving rules to kick off rules?
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Would that not be easier except for the 10-yard rule about kickoffs. Just like a kickoff, the ball is live unless motioned for a fair catch or crosses the goal line. Easy for everyone to see and understand, no intent of deception, it's just a live ball unless the hand is clearly above your head. You are not going to allow the kicking team to advance the ball or take possession of the ball, just down it.
 
SEIOWA CLONE said:
That is why I am suggesting that it be a live ball unless the returner has waved his hand clearly above his head. Why make the official decide if the returner is trying to deceive the defenders or just running over to the ball? Make him chose hand up, dead ball, anything else, live ball.
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What? The official would have to be the one deciding whether his hand was put up or not. It's their job. What you're saying doesn't even make sense.

And making a punt live like a kickoff would be a disaster and fundamentally change how teams approach a lot things during the game. That's just ridiculous.
 
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SEIOWA CLONE said:
Would that not be easier except for the 10-yard rule about kickoffs. Just like a kickoff, the ball is live unless motioned for a fair catch or crosses the goal line. Easy for everyone to see and understand, no intent of deception, it's just a live ball unless the hand is clearly above your head. You are not going to allow the kicking team to advance the ball or take possession of the ball, just down it.
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So if a punter kicks the ball away from the returner, the punting team can just recover it?

**** is off the rails.
 
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SEIOWA CLONE said:
It would be a live ball just like it is now. We see returners picking up and advancing punts all the time that have hit the ground, why if they have not signaled for a fair catch would it be any different?
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Because a kick off and punt are two completely different concepts?
 
Pitt_Clone said:
What? The official would have to be the one deciding whether his hand was put up or not. It's their job. What you're saying doesn't even make sense.

And making a punt live like a kickoff would be a disaster and fundamentally change how teams approach a lot things during the game. That's just ridiculous
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Officials have to make that decision all the time in every game. Only now we are asking them to decide was it a valid or invalid fair catch. Only you are talking about kickoffs, the rest of us only punts.
No one is suggesting making punts live like kickoffs, if I confused you that was not my intent.
 
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madguy30 said:
In a year or two Hok fans in Waubeek are going to talk about another 'what might have been' moment that ruined their eventual national championship.
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Waubeek Iowa has a population of about 50 people. LOL Been through there lots of times to the Boy Scout camp.
 
wenkeej said:
I love it. This is the most CF thread possible. Started as "F*** Iowa" because, you know, F*** Iowa, and devolved into CF cannibalism at its best.
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Yup. And it's only Monday. We need to pace ourselves. We've got a long week ahead of us.

In the meantime, here's an image we can all appreciate. If I'm not mistaken, it appears to be a photograph of AD Beth Getz after she fully came to grips with the Athletic Department she inherited:

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SEIOWA CLONE said:
That is why I am suggesting that it be a live ball unless the returner has waved his hand clearly above his head. Why make the official decide if the returner is trying to deceive the defenders or just running over to the ball? Make him chose hand up, dead ball, anything else, live ball.
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Because if I am a defender running down the field to cover a punt and I see the returner wave his arm in any motion that tells me I CAN"T hit him without getting a penalty.

If you allow the returner to wave his arm at shoulder level the coverage team then has to interpret whether he made a fair catch signal or not. I'd rather not have a player running down the field as fast as he can be left to make that decision.
 
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RezClone said:
Yup. And it's only Monday. We need to pace ourselves. We've got a long week ahead of us.

In the meantime, here's an image we can all appreciate. If I'm not mistaken, it appears to be a photograph of AD Beth Getz after she fully came to grips with the Athletic Department she inherited:

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Every part of this is ******* incredible. Well done!
 
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