Do you want Campbell gone?
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Well I certainly hope this change to keeping the defense guessing the last three games isn't temporary. Because ISU was never going to be successful this year running up the middle every first down and passing to the flat every third.
Nobody here has any effect on what Campbell does with his team or his staff
This is a dumb circular argument. You can’t argue he doesn’t listen to the fans/is too stubborn to make changes and then argue he only made changes because of the fans.
But I absolutely think he would have made the changes no matter what. And I hope to god, he isn’t listening to fans. We are ******* stupid.
Why does anyone think he was ok with last year?
But if just one person says he is on the hot seat, expect his wrath? Please......it was more than just cyclonefanatic that was pushing the Tom Manning issue.
We are stupid, no doubt. At the Iowa game I would say the fans around me calling ISU's offensive plays were about only 70% right.
Your last question............did you see the offense the first 3 games? I thought Tom was still in the booth.
Isn't it amazing even with young players what happens when you actually make a defense guess?
That dude at the Ohio game is a grade a douche, Campbell should've kept his cool, and that interaction has 0 to do with any decisions made by the staff since
Darkstar's issue has to be black uniform related.
I'm still not sure the "opening up the offense" has anything to do with some perceived pressure or outcry from the fans. It absolutely had to do with the negative on-field results.
I think it's entirely reasonable that our incredibly young starting lineup with an incredibly green QB had a very limited structure of plays for the first few games.
Campbell basically admitted "holding them back", I believe because he reserved the play sheet only for their highest-confidence (read: simple) plays.
In other words, I think it was a case where CMC in particular put a lid on the offense because he wanted them to gain confidence and run only the plays he knew they could run well and execute, before he added complexity onto their plate. And that slope of increasing responsibility was too slow to give us a chance to win the Iowa game late, and didn't help at Ohio.
My guess is, we're seeing a natural progression of playcalling as a very young team (and a young OC new to calling plays) grows in experience and confidence. I don't think that's a huge angle to criticize the coaching staff against. They were a little too conservative in the early part of the season -- OK. It was 3 games out of 12. I think they're playing pretty well now, and hopefully they keep improving as more wrinkles are added.
It is very apparent that some fans do not know our complete lack of football success in our history. Or forget. What harm is done to remind them of that when they think 8 wins should be the floor? Reality is that we are a program that will have some ebbs and flows. We really have a chance at least in every game now. That has never been true before.
I said seven wins. Not sure who ever said 8 wins.
I have sat through games with Bruce, Duncan, Criner, McCarney, Rhoads and now Campbell as head coach.
I sort of even remember Johnny Majors as head coach
I have lived and breathed Iowa State football
And I still say 7 wins should be the floor.
How many 7 win seasons does Iowa State have in the last 20 years? And which coach has those wins?
McCarney has 2 seasons. 2004 and 2005 in a depleted North Division that did not play Texas and Oklahoma in each season.
Paul Rhoads has 1 season. 2009 in the North Division that did not play Texas and Oklahoma.
Matt Campbell has 5 seasons. First year and last year were the only times he hasn’t won 7 games. Round robin conference schedule. Play Texas and Oklahoma every year.
Campbell has been remarkable. But to say 7 wins to be the least you will accept is sheer stupidity. Campbell‘s success is being taken for granted. Nothing is easy in a sparsely populated state with 2 Division 1 Universities.
ribnwhisky is the first to dumb this. I am sure there will be others.
Not sure why winning at least seven games a season is such a mountain to climb from 6-6
Have you ever seen a team with young players?
Sometimes it takes a while to be able to get to a place where you can do more with what you have especially with something like a new OL coach or OC.
Even a veteran team is going to take time to adjust to new concepts from coaches.
Never have had a coach consistently win 7 games in most years until Campbell. 6-6 seasons even a rarity. But you demand 7 wins. Every year. I say that Campbell gives us our best chance every year. We’ve struggled recently but I’ll give him every opportunity to figure it out. Because no one else has come close to his success at Iowa State. Campbell has a winning Big 12 record at Iowa State. No one else is even close.
Quit putting words in my mouth.
I didn't say seven wins is what I will accept. I said seven wins should be the floor.
Were you in favor of keeping McCarney? Good guy. Great guy. Great for Iowa State. I would have loved to see him stick around. He is gone now. Why?
Were you in favor of keeping Rhoads? Good guy, Great guy. Great for Iowa State. I hated to see him go. He is gone now. Why?
I like Matt Campbell. I hope he stays forever. One of the first thing he said when taking the job here was he had to change the culture. 6-6 not be top of the hill for Iowa State. Maybe the culture change should be with the fans. I will not join the mob to run Campbell on rail if his teams don't win at least 7 games a year. Again, ask Campbell if 6 wins is acceptable
It is not acceptable to Campbell. He wants championships. And we have now played in a Conference Championship.
When 7 wins is the floor, then anything less is unacceptable. Otherwise 7 wins is not the floor. Being disappointed with less than 7 wins and keeping Campbell means you will accept less wins. You are just disappointed with it.
Campbell is the type of coach that will use these challenges to actually make us better in the future. And we will be better.
I think the main disagreement here is with your use of the word "floor." To me, at least, floor implies that even a single season below that is worthy of firing. Based on your other comments, I don't think that's what you actually mean, but that's what the usage of that word sounds like.
Cause those teams are so much worse than Texas Tech, Kansas, West Virginia, etc.. get ******* real. We are like Minnesota at best. How in the hell is our program any better than Illinois right now? JFC you people are delusional. You're point is that Iowa only goes to bowl games because they are in the Big 10 west yet they absolutely piss pound us every year. Not sure what logic you are using here. Doesn't appear to be any. So we are either even more mediocre than you claim Iowa is or Iowa must actually be pretty good. It's oneof the 2.
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