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Just got kicked out while posting, see if this works now. I was thinking 5-7 years but as I get older I’m realizing what I think is 5 turns out to be 10 too many times. So I can’t remember. I was thinking it was around the same time as WI was doing their governor recalls.

5 yrs ago was 2010, I swear. Iowa is Right to Work so I don't believe you can be forced to pay dues or join but someone far more well versed in Iowa union laws would have to weigh in.
 
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Sure, there's about 2-3 months "off" between when class ends in the spring and class starts in the fall.

However:

They don't get flexible vacation time off the way others do.

Not all of that "time off" in the summer is truly time off, as there is work time staff are required to be at (particularly the couple weeks after class ends and the couple before it starts again) , professional development, etc.

They also generally are working more than full-time hours during the school year. When you average out their hours over a school year, it ends up coming out comparably (or greater) with other full time jobs.


Also, with a relatively small window of time there, the job itself makes it harder for someone to earn other income during those couple months. Holding that against them seems problematic.

Also largely women...young women and they often don't have access to any paid parental leave.
 
Sure, there's about 2-3 months "off" between when class ends in the spring and class starts in the fall.

However:

They don't get flexible vacation time off the way others do.

Not all of that "time off" in the summer is truly time off, as there is work time staff are required to be at (particularly the couple weeks after class ends and the couple before it starts again) , professional development, etc.

They also generally are working more than full-time hours during the school year. When you average out their hours over a school year, it ends up coming out comparably (or greater) with other full time jobs.


Also, with a relatively small window of time there, the job itself makes it harder for someone to earn other income during those couple months. Holding that against them seems problematic.
You are omitting all the days off during the school year. Adds up to 3+ weeks +holidays. Salaried employees typically work 48 hours a week, hence why they are salaried. Businesses didn’t want to pay them constant overtime. They usually get about 3 weeks vacation and about 10 holidays
 
All these pages to say...I personally haven't really said one way or the other that unions are angel or devil. I think they can be quite useful and also have their issues. In this case, WF has made some unpopular moves and unuionizing is one of the more effective moves to pushback and create change from the employee POV (aside from leaving).
 
You are omitting all the days off during the school year. Adds up to 3+ weeks +holidays. Salaried employees typically work 48 hours a week, hence why they are salaried. Businesses didn’t want to pay them constant overtime. They usually get about 3 weeks vacation and about 10 holidays
If it's so easy and cushy....then go be one? You seem very bitter about how hard (or not hard) you perceive others to work. Personally, I think all US workers deserve more paid time off.
 
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If it's so easy and cushy....then go be one? You seem very bitter about how hard (or not hard) you perceive others to work. Personally, I think all US workers deserve more paid time off.
Because I make substantially more than them. And never did I say it was “cushy”. You clearly lien to put words in other people’s mouths
 
That's an anecdote, not data, same as your personal opinions on unions.
So you want me to share my tax returns to prove my case? You realize teacher pay information for your local district should be available to everyone, right? You can easily find the data for your local district. I just looked it up for my own district. Simple to do….
 
Having quite a few relatives that are teachers (including my wife!), I can say they think they are putting in more work than they actually are. Most teachers in my area make over $60K, and when you factor all the time off they receive, I wouldn’t say they are underpaid.

What is that after taxes?
 
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Because I make substantially more than them. And never did I say it was “cushy”. You clearly lien to put words in other people’s mouths
Well then I clearly misread the tone around your opinions on how much and how hard you think they work vs their pay.
 
So you want me to share my tax returns to prove my case? You realize teacher pay information for your local district should be available to everyone, right? You can easily find the data for your local district. I just looked it up for my own district. Simple to do….

No. I'm referring to your experience with unions in your workplace. That's an anecdote, not data.

Data shows that you can in part thank your workplace union for the 19% raise.

 
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All this thread has taught me is people have no issues with just doing an adequate job. Don’t work hard, don’t work too slowly. Just work leisurely and you’ll be successful.

I guess I was raised differently. You will get paid what you deserve. If you want to just work half heartedly, that’s fine. But your career growth will be limited. If you work hard and work efficiently, you’ll ultimately be rewarded for it.

I sure hope we are teaching kids while they study/learn material that they can just study to get by. Don’t try to fully understand the material; just learn enough to get good enough grades

I'll teach my kid the same thing my dad taught me "do as little work as you can to make as much money as you can" - It's working out really well so far too.
 
Well then I clearly misread the tone around your opinions on how much and how hard you think they work vs their pay.
All I said is they don’t work as hard as they think they do, especially when compared to other jobs. I never said it was “cushy”. You decided to spin it differently.
 
All I said is they don’t work as hard as they think they do, especially when compared to other jobs. I never said it was “cushy”. You decided to spin it differently.

And comments on pay and time off but ok.


On topic, what is your opinion on the WF employees considering organizing a union in response to the RTO? Aside from the fact that you personally wouldn't want to be in a union?
 

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