Realignment Megathread (All The Moves)

I’d agree with you more if we could incorporate some computer data into ranking. The teams don’t play each other enough and safer to allow a path to play in.
Use computer ranking throughout the season and get rid of the selection committee.

Agree it's tough for G5 programs to make a push for Top 10 unless they go undefeated. Not sure there is a good solution to create "big games" for G5 programs. When Cincinnati made the playoff a couple years ago they played ND during the regular season. My guess is that game was scheduled 3-5 years prior.

Could there be a made-for-TV series of games matching elite Power vs elite Group conference schools? Have preseason top Big10, SEC, Big12 and ACC teams play the top Group schools. Might be fun the 2nd or 3rd Saturday of season to see:

FOX noon: Kansas State v UTSA
ABC 2:30p: LSU v Fresno Sate
NBC 7:00p Penn State v Tulane
ESPN 7:00p Florida State v Boise State

If Power conferences want to do away with Group conferences auto bid, they should at least be willing to allow elite Group schools the chance to enhance their ranking on the field.
 
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I wouldn't have an issue with a 5/7 criteria as long as auto berth teams be ranked in top 15. It probably only applies to G5 schools. But if a Conference Champ is ranked #17, I don't feel they should be in playoff.
Looking at the current rankings, the other conference champs would be Utah #14, Oregon St #18, and Tulane #24.

And those teams would knock out #10 Washington, #11 Texas, and #12 Tennessee.

I almost wonder if ESPN and Fox would let it be known that they would pay higher for a playoff with all at-large bids. You know they would much prefer to televise a game involving teams 10-12 as opposed to Tulane or Oregon St.
 
Per Thamel....

The SMU/Cal/Stanford to the ACC has new life. ESPN is willing to kick in some more money for Cal/Stanford and SMU is willing to go without any TV revenue for the first 7 years.

I think it gets done.

ACC-17 (plus Notre Dame)
Big Ten-18
SEC-16
Big 12-16

Oregon State/Wazzu keep the PAC name, keep the huge NCAA distributions coming their way and backfill with the AAC/MW.

Oregon State
Wazzu
Boise St
San Diego St
Colorado St
Fresno St
Air Force
UNLV
Hawaii
Tulane
Memphis
Rice
North Texas or UTSA
Navy (FB Only)
Wichita (BB Only)
 
I’m not sure what will happen with the G5 autobid (IF they go the autobid route) but I do think there will be a media push to include a G5 autobid. Will that be enough to sway the networks/P2, I’m not sure.

Those teams are capable of winning playoff games too. Tulane beat Caleb Williams and USC last year, UCF beat LSU, TCU beat Wisconsin in a Rose Bowl, Boise State beat Oklahoma
Two of those teams are now P4, one is totally irrelevant, and Tulane beat USC with some of its top players sitting out. My point is in a playoff with no one sitting out and everyone trying those G5 schools aren’t going to do anything but lose. I’m fine with G5 getting in if they put together a perfect season and beat multiple P4 teams but there need to be some major qualifiers
 
There was effectively one G5 auto bid in original 12 team format. Now w Pac dead there are effectively two.

Since the MWC is going to be stronger, why would you move G5 from 1 to 0 unless Big Ten is just flaunting their money god of fb status?

Keep it at the same one if you want long term health and avoiding legal action.
It will get quickly changed so those autobids also have to be in the top 12 or 15.
 
Use computer ranking throughout the season and get rid of the selection committee.

100% agree.

Additional stipulations - no using recruiting metrics of any kind, or any voter poll (preseason or during season).

SOS, predictive metrics, luck adjusters, all that is fine.
 
It will get quickly changed so those autobids also have to be in the top 12 or 15.
Is there a non-evil point to even have auto bids if some conferences are required to be top 12?

As in an ACC, Big 12, SEC, or Big Ten CCG winner can get in at #14 but a G5 can't with same ranking?

The whole "top 6 conf champs" was the best part about the expanded format and first step toward fairness since they switched to a Mostly Big Ten Committee. I get changing it to "top 5 champs" but just so transparent to do more than that.
 
Per Thamel....

The SMU/Cal/Stanford to the ACC has new life. ESPN is willing to kick in some more money for Cal/Stanford and SMU is willing to go without any TV revenue for the first 7 years.

I think it gets done.

ACC-17 (plus Notre Dame)
Big Ten-18
SEC-16
Big 12-16

Oregon State/Wazzu keep the PAC name, keep the huge NCAA distributions coming their way and backfill with the AAC/MW.

Oregon State
Wazzu
Boise St
San Diego St
Colorado St
Fresno St
Air Force
UNLV
Hawaii
Tulane
Memphis
Rice
North Texas or UTSA
Navy (FB Only)
Wichita (BB Only)

How is the ACC opening up to expansion without a window for FSU/Clemson to run out? Which schools are voting to admit them against FSU/Clemson/UNC/UVA wishes?
 
Is there a non-evil point to even have auto bids if some conferences are required to be top 12?

As in an ACC, Big 12, SEC, or Big Ten CCG winner can get in at #14 but a G5 can't with same ranking?

The whole "top 6 conf champs" was the best part about the expanded format and first step toward fairness since they switched to a Mostly Big Ten Committee. I get changing it to "top 5 champs" but just so transparent to do more than that.

If top 12, no. The only point it really has at that point is the automatic byes for the top 4 champions.

If top 15 or so, it could let a #13-15 champion slip in over a #12 team.
 
Two of those teams are now P4, one is totally irrelevant, and Tulane beat USC with some of its top players sitting out. My point is in a playoff with no one sitting out and everyone trying those G5 schools aren’t going to do anything but lose. I’m fine with G5 getting in if they put together a perfect season and beat multiple P4 teams but there need to be some major qualifiers

I'd sit out if I was a 1st round pick unless I had some incredible insurance policy guaranteeing me tens of millions. It's the smart choice.
 
How is the ACC opening up to expansion without a window for FSU/Clemson to run out? Which schools are voting to admit them against FSU/Clemson/UNC/UVA wishes?

Expansion doesn't reopen the GOR. The new teams just sign on to the same GOR.
 
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If top 12, no. The only point it really has at that point is the automatic byes for the top 4 champions.

If top 15 or so, it could let a #13-15 champion slip in over a #12 team.

If every conference is going to a top 2 rematch, the winner of every CCG is going to be Top 12 or close.

I could MAYBE see an entire conference being so weak they still have a really low ranked champ but it's going to remove the fluke CCG winner for the most part. People remember when the Big East champ was unranked or close to unranked but around that same time the ACC went through a stretch where they had practically no ranked teams. I don't see the Big 12 ever being that down as long as it has so many Texas players/programs.
 
I'd sit out if I was a 1st round pick unless I had some incredible insurance policy guaranteeing me tens of millions. It's the smart choice.
I’m not disagreeing but we haven’t really seen that in the playoffs compared to the en mass sit outs we see in bowls games
 
Expansion doesn't reopen the GOR. The new teams just sign on to the same GOR.

Do the new teams not get a vote to dissolve the conference?

Rumor was the "dissolve" votes were one shy, I can't imagine they'd add lifeboat teams to make that MORE difficult.
 
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Do the new teams not get a vote to dissolve the conference?

Rumor was the "dissolve" votes were one shy, I can't imagine they'd add lifeboat teams to make that MORE difficult.

The talk of being able to dissolve the conference has had a lot of cold water thrown on it as teams who are on their way out the door may not get a vote in the matter. The contracts are written in such a way to rig the vote against dissolving.
 
Use computer ranking throughout the season and get rid of the selection committee.

Agree it's tough for G5 programs to make a push for Top 10 unless they go undefeated. Not sure there is a good solution to create "big games" for G5 programs. When Cincinnati made the playoff a couple years ago they played ND during the regular season. My guess is that game was scheduled 3-5 years prior.

Could there be a made-for-TV series games matching elite Power vs elite Group conference schools? Have preseason top Big10, SEC, Big12 and ACC teams play the top Group schools. Might be fun the 2nd or 3rd Saturday of season to see:

FOX noon: Kansas State v UTSA
ABC 2:30p: LSU v Fresno Sate
NBC 7:00p Penn State v Tulane
ESPN 7:00p Florida State v Boise State

If Power conferences want to do away with Group conferences auto bid, they should at least be willing to allow elite Group schools the chance to enhance their ranking on the field.

Anything is better than this "week zero" snoozer.

If they can't get some better matchups they need to 86 this thing. Navy/Notre Dame is mildly interesting and the others are a horrible idea to lead off with.
 
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The talk of being able to dissolve the conference has had a lot of cold water thrown on it as teams who are on their way out the door may not get a vote in the matter. The contracts are written in such a way to rig the vote against dissolving.

How does that work?

By all accounts USC and UCLA were totally in charge of Pac 10 expansion/lack of expansion until the very last minute they bolted. Texas/OU probably the same calling the shots for what B12 did until the minute they left.
 
Per Thamel....

The SMU/Cal/Stanford to the ACC has new life. ESPN is willing to kick in some more money for Cal/Stanford and SMU is willing to go without any TV revenue for the first 7 years.

I think it gets done.

ACC-17 (plus Notre Dame)
Big Ten-18
SEC-16
Big 12-16

Oregon State/Wazzu keep the PAC name, keep the huge NCAA distributions coming their way and backfill with the AAC/MW.

Oregon State
Wazzu
Boise St
San Diego St
Colorado St
Fresno St
Air Force
UNLV
Hawaii
Tulane
Memphis
Rice
North Texas or UTSA
Navy (FB Only)
Wichita (BB Only)

I feel like this is WSU and OSU's way to keep getting a P5 CFP distribution ahead of next week's CFP meetings. But not sure that guarantees Pac keeping its P5 status.
  • There will be 67 P4 schools
  • Currently, there are 65 P5 schools.
So I feel like the Big10, SEC, Big12 and ACC will push back on a WSU & OSU plan to add 12 G5 schools to the Pac. If there is some legal basis where WSU and OSU can keep Pac as a P5 Conference, then it pretty much guarantees there will be non auto qualifiers.
 

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