Conference Schedules Post Realignment

[SolterraCyclone]

WVU doesn't recruit Texas. So WVU probably doesnt need Texas games on the regular. Cinn and UCF dont either.

I want arz state as a protected rival so that ******* Prez gets ample opportunities to travel to Morgantown!

I'm praying that WVU can come up with the 16 million to fire NB after this season, and they dont botch the hire

I still think 4 divisions of 4 is the best option. Play your three divisional each year, 4 games from a yearly, rotating division, and 1 team from the other two divisions that align with your standings in your division from the previous year (you could also just rotate these teams too rather than align with standings) Everyone would most likely play in Texas at least once a year and would likely be playing every team at least once every four years. This allows for more freedom to geographically group the teams.

- West: AZ, ASU, BYU, Utah
- South: Texas Tech, TCU, Baylor, OSU
- North: ISU, KSU, KU, CU
- East: WVU, Cincy, Houston, UCF

If it’s three rivals then 6 rotating, I’m guessing we’ll be with KU, KSU, and WVU. Which is fine too

 

[Clonehomer]

For hoops, I'd hope the Big12 moves to a 20 game conference season to get more games in (also helps the SOS). You could then face everyone at least one time and 5 teams twice.

18 game schedule
Play every team once
3 remaining games are based on the previous years standings. You play each team in your group a second time. Ideally, these games will be kept at the end of the season to hopefully push competition for the league title.
1-4
5-8
9-12
10-16

When we go to 18, then change that to 6 groups of 3 and go to a 19 game schedule.

When we go to 24, just say screw it and break away and play only your conference. At that point there won’t be enough good teams outside the Big12 to make it worthwhile. It’s be like playing FCS in football.

 

[Draf]

This is a good model. I also like the protected rival's concept. My preferred model is a slight twist on both to ensure that a 4-year football player gets to play in every conference opponent's stadium at least once. Best 2 teams meet in the conference championship.

3 games against your divisions
2 games against teams from the other 3 divisions (6 games total) - I would rotate the 2 division opponents every year if feasible so you see every team every 2 years.

For basketball, the 4-division model would have you play each division opponent twice and every other opponent once for 18 total conference games (2 x 3; 1 x 12).

West Division: AZ/Az St/Utah/BYU
North Division: CU/KSU/KU/ISU
South Division: OSU/Tx Tech/TCU/Baylor
East Division: Houston/UCF/WVU/Cincy

This is exactly what I've been thinking — down to which teams are in which divisions. And, wouldn't it be cool to have a four team, two week conference champion playoff featuring division winners?

 

[Nolaeer]

Arz state, not even a week into the conference, has insulted WVU, and has also said the Big 12 will go to divisions, as that makes the most sense.

I hope Crow doesnt think Arz. State is going to call the shos. As far as Im concerned, we could trade Arz state and Uconn and be better off.

Arizona State AD Ray Anderson dropped this nugget:

"We're going to try to in the Olympic sports go to divisions and we'll probably do that in football as well. For travel, regionalization makes sense. But it really makes sense in the Olympic sports."

 

[Clonehomer]

Arz state, not even a week into the conference, has insulted WVU, and has also said the Big 12 will go to divisions, as that makes the most sense.

I hope Crow doesnt think Arz. State is going to call the shos. As far as Im concerned, we could trade Arz state and Uconn and be better off.

Does Jamie offer job shadowing? Maybe have him spend a week in Ames to show him how to keep internal things internal.

 

[StLouisClone]

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I added 2 more rivals for everyone. This would really help reduce travel time.
AZ: COL/OSU
ASU: COL/UU
BU: TTU/BYU
BYU: TTU/BU
UCF: ISU/TCU
CINN: ISU/HOU
COL: AZ/ASU
HOU: CINN/TCU
ISU: UCF/CINN
KU: UU/WVU
KSU: OSU/WVU
OSU: AZ/KSU
TCU: UCF/HOU
TTU: BU/BYU
UU: ASU/KU
WVU: KU/KSU

 

[StLouisClone]

Bump. Any thoughts on having 5 protected rivals vs 3?

I like this idea better than having divisions of 4 or 8. Any pod/division of 4 would leave out 1 of the 5 schools in UT/AZ/CO. Having 5 protected rivals would enable all 5 of them to play each other every year.

 

[1UNI2ISU]

I think they'll go to pods/divisions for non-revenue sports to try and save as much travel as they can. (AZ/ASU/UU/BYU, TT/BAY/TCU/OSU, ISU/KU/KSU/CU, HOU/UCF/UC/WVU). Four 4s or Two 8s, whichever.

Football will go to the Big Ten model with protected rivals with each school having a different number.

MBB will be a free-for-all mostly dictated by what games TV wants.

 

[RonBurgundy]

I added 2 more rivals for everyone. This would really help reduce travel time.
AZ: COL/OSU
ASU: COL/UU
BU: TTU/BYU
BYU: TTU/BU
UCF: ISU/TCU
CINN: ISU/HOU
COL: AZ/ASU
HOU: CINN/TCU
ISU: UCF/CINN
KU: UU/WVU
KSU: OSU/WVU
OSU: AZ/KSU
TCU: UCF/HOU
TTU: BU/BYU
UU: ASU/KU
WVU: KU/KSU
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I really like this, but understand that one of the reasons CU and Deion were more open to joining the Big 12 is that he really wants to recruit Texas hard. So maybe a Texas school for them instead of Utah.

 

[isucy86]

Bump. Any thoughts on having 5 protected rivals vs 3?

I like this idea better than having divisions of 4 or 8. Any pod/division of 4 would leave out 1 of the 5 schools in UT/AZ/CO. Having 5 protected rivals would enable all 5 of them to play each other every year.

No schedule is going to make every school happy. But the goals of a schedule should be twofold:

1. Promote Traditional Rivals. Each school having 3 or 4 protected rivals based on history or geography. I would prefer ISU have 4 protected rivals: KSU, KU, CU and OSU each year. Long live the Big 8! But would be happy if we only played 3 of those teams each year.
2. It would be fun to create new rivalries and incorporate the 8 new schools quickly. Each historical Big12 team should be assigned a protected rival among the new 8. I didn't realize that TT & UA have a long history playing over 30x, mainly in the 30's, 40's & 70's. Would love for ISU to play 1 game against Cincy or either AZ schools annually.

 

[theshadow]

No schedule is going to make every school happy. But the goals of a schedule should be twofold:

1. Promote Traditional Rivals. Each school having 3 or 4 protected rivals based on history or geography. I would prefer ISU have 4 protected rivals: KSU, KU, CU and OSU each year. Long live the Big 8! But would be happy if we only played 3 of those teams each year.
2. It would be fun to create new rivalries and incorporate the 8 new schools quickly. Each historical Big12 team should be assigned a protected rival among the new 8. I didn't realize that TT & UA have a long history playing over 30x, mainly in the 30's, 40's & 70's. Would love for ISU to play 1 game against Cincy or either AZ schools annually.

3. Play everyone in the conference as often as possible. None of this "they haven't played each other in 8 years" ********. It's remarkably simple to set up a rotation that plays everyone home and away at least once in a 4-year cycle.

 

[isucy86]

3. Play everyone in the conference as often as possible. None of this "they haven't played each other in 8 years" ********. It's remarkably simple to set up a rotation that plays everyone home and away at least once in a 4-year cycle.

Playing non-protected rivals should be a systematic rotation. Not playing a team once every 8 years. With a 16 team conference and 5 protected rivals, the schedule can be structured to play everyone home and away at least every 5 years.

It's always going to be a tradeoff of creating rivals, balancing SOS and playing all conference members on a regular schedule.

 

[Jeremy]

I like only having 2 rivals in football. It’s a big stretch for most schools to have 3 actual conference rivals, even manufactured ones. Outside KU and KSU, even Colorado or Okie State (most often cited others) don’t rile me up.

I’d rather play more different teams to keep the schedules fresh and the conference feeling united. Decreasing how frequently you play a team to like once every 4 years removes any feeling of cohesiveness.

 

[Allikat]

I like only having 2 rivals in football. It’s a big stretch for most schools to have 3 actual conference rivals, even manufactured ones. Outside KU and KSU, even Colorado or Okie State (most often cited others) don’t rile me up.

I’d rather play more different teams to keep the schedules fresh and the conference feeling united. Decreasing how frequently you play a team to like once every 4 years removes any feeling of cohesiveness.

I don't disagree that the third rivalry was harder to establish, particularly for some of the newcomers that don't have a history against the rest of the league.

If we stay at 16 teams / 9 conference games, however, the 3 protected and alternating years on the rest of the leagues works better than 2 protected and a mish mash (IMO).

However, if we expand beyond 16 or go to 10 conference games . . .

 

[psychlones]

I don't disagree that the third rivalry was harder to establish, particularly for some of the newcomers that don't have a history against the rest of the league.

If we stay at 16 teams / 9 conference games, however, the 3 protected and alternating years on the rest of the leagues works better than 2 protected and a mish mash (IMO).

However, if we expand beyond 16 or go to 10 conference games . . .

Yup, right now the math works out perfectly for 3 every year and 6 every other year, which means every four year player gets to play home and away against everyone in conference. I don't think you can ask for more than that in a large-sized conference.

It will never be as perfect as the 10 team league schedules were in both basketball and football, but for now that ship has sailed.

 

[BigJCy]

3. Play everyone in the conference as often as possible. None of this "they haven't played each other in 8 years" ********. It's remarkably simple to set up a rotation that plays everyone home and away at least once in a 4-year cycle.

Amen to that. <cough>Iowa schedule

 

[RonBurgundy]

I like only having 2 rivals in football. It’s a big stretch for most schools to have 3 actual conference rivals, even manufactured ones. Outside KU and KSU, even Colorado or Okie State (most often cited others) don’t rile me up.

I’d rather play more different teams to keep the schedules fresh and the conference feeling united. Decreasing how frequently you play a team to like once every 4 years removes any feeling of cohesiveness.

I would not mind KU, KSU and Cincy. And I am sure CMC would not mind the Ohio connection. Plus CIncy has a new coach and I read the other day they only have 1 starter returning on offense in 2023. So they may be a rebuilding program that we can establish some wins against. But a trip to CU would be fun. No real interest in having OSU as a protected rival.

 

[werdnamanhill]

Found this on reddit