Realignment Megathread (All The Moves)
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I don’t know that was his intention, but that’s what happened. He pointed out that the PAC is going to be a terrible basketball conference and Arizona would be wise to get to the Big12 if they value their basketball brand at all.
He even sees the writing on the wall, and is now going to give excuses why. It's not us- it's them, and their silly basketball".
Clench your jaw like Thurston Howell III, and say it with me:
"Well, they might leave because of the basketball, which as I understand it is quite popular among the middle classes and those types"
The leavers could just flat out break the contract and say "sue me". That's assuming that ESPN/Fox and the new conference would be OK being a party to it, since they'd KNOW their partner was breaking a contract I would imagine they could have some liability too (tortious influence, anyone?). That might be the bigger problem than just the money damages themselves - who would sign up for that potential liability?
They would likely try to negotiate something, but failing agreement, the conference would have to sue for contractual damages.
Leavers would argue $17M per year, less whatever bunch of costs they could try to tie to that. Conference would argue some jumped up, maxed out amount, plus 3x for emotional damages. Who knows what a judge would assign for a value to it.
ACC GOR.
1. file a preemptive lawsuit in a "hometown" state like Florida, and let the Florida SCt say the GOR deal in excess of 5 years violates Florida's public policy for a state institution.
2. argue any damages beyond 5 years are speculative.
3. Argua a change in material circumstances, unforeseen at the time the document was signed, invalidate it. Material change could be NIL, transfer portals, or the disparity in payouts between conferences.
4. fraud in the inducement or material misrepresentations to get FSU and Clemson to sign.
None are a guarantee, but they could succeed. One thing I learned in trying cases, is nothing is guaranteed. And as long as they're colorable, lawsuits will grind on for years, with lawyers getting fat and ACC bleeding.
Eventually the ACC settles--just like they did with Terps. it'll be a big number, but the BIG will pay it.
1. file a preemptive lawsuit in a "hometown" state like Florida, and let the Florida SCt say the GOR deal in excess of 5 years violates Florida's public policy for a state institution.
2. argue any damages beyond 5 years are speculative.
3. Argua a change in material circumstances, unforeseen at the time the document was signed, invalidate it. Material change could be NIL, transfer portals, or the disparity in payouts between conferences.
4. fraud in the inducement or material misrepresentations to get FSU and Clemson to sign.
None are a guarantee, but they could succeed. One thing I learned in trying cases, is nothing is guaranteed. And as long as they're colorable, lawsuits will grind on for years, with lawyers getting fat and ACC bleeding.
Eventually the ACC settles--just like they did with Terps. it'll be a big number, but the BIG will pay it.
Did some real quick math based on 2022 NCAA MBB attendance.
1. AZ's attendance was 17% of all 12 PAC 12 teams' attendance.
2. If you took AZ's attendance out of the picture, The Pac 12 would have been behind the MWC and AAC.
1. AZ's attendance was 17% of all 12 PAC 12 teams' attendance.
2. If you took AZ's attendance out of the picture, The Pac 12 would have been behind the MWC and AAC.
Ummm why would the big ten pay it? They can just wait till the GOR runs out and pay nothing. There is no rush to expand at all.
Just a few days ago his message was something like "I'm a USC guy and my team is fine, but these Big 12 goofs don't realize they'll be next to die"
Greg Flugaur has had a few podcasts on this going back about a week ago and a couple in last 24 hours.
The August 15 date is in ACC contract regarding teams giving notice to leave the ACC. Same premise as the SDSU exit fee from MWC. Apparently last week, the FSU AD was asked a question if FSU had plans to vote on leaving ACC and I'll paraphase FSU AD's reply "FSU doesn't have a board meeting scheduled before August 15". He didn't deny FSU's interest in leaving, but avoided the question by saying they didn't have a vote schedule. That got some people in a lather because a board meeting can be scheduled on short notice.
Well with that rock solid source why not lol
Also that doesn’t exist because of the GOR and contract so…
It's not just re-alignment. 75% of the people on twitter think they are journalist whether it be for politics or sports.
I know this has probably been re-hashed a lot in this thread, I haven't been able to follow everything in it, but this stuff with Utah is just baffling. They were in the ******* Mountain West as recent as 2010. The sense of entitlement is just nuts.
Ths is basically what I've been hearing from my dialed in AZ/media source for a long time.
Before UCLA/USC even left the Arizona boosters/alumni were very intrigued about joining Big 12 to get into the elite basketball conference and it doesn't really change their travel situation that much.
There may be some things behind the scenes slowing things up or making it difficult compared to CU but the will has been there for a long time, before UCLA/USC exodus even.
AZ has this motivating factor that is unique and goes beyond UCLA/USC. Colorado had their "remember when" feelings from having been a former B12 member. They both have seen things a lot more clearly than ASU/Utah because of it. Colorado especially since there's no irrational rivalry hatred blinding their motivations.
More importantly, how would the B10 make that money back, much less see a return on their "investment"? Same question for one of the networks ponying up the cash. The schools are unlikely to be able to scrounge up a couple $100 million to make it happen in the first place. That's where "buy their way out" arguments always fall apart. I could see the schools working something out in, say, 2031/2/3.
Sure they could sue their way out and win with a friendly judge willing to play legal Calvinball, but that's a gigantic risk that could backfire spectacularly.
I have no idea how they think they go from 50 years of Pac 10 rejection/indifference to automatic Big Ten invite in the span of 13 years. I'm really not sure the Big 12 has ever been interested, the Big 12 has Utah already. Utah population: 3.4 million, Iowa Population 3.2 million
I think deep down they are AFRAID of BYU and what BYU in a major conference could become. If they weren't, they'd want to be in the same conference to prove they're better on the field. Instead they thought they beat BYU through realignment years back and now they're hanging onto that irrationally even though realignment could lead to incredibly clear defeat by that metric.
I think this is the thinking. The GOR is so far out that they may not be able to wait because of the SEC. If the BIG doesn't pay, they will go to the SEC and that leaves the BIG out of Florida unless they deem that Miami has enough value and that is debatable. Whichever conference would take these teams would be (at least partially) reimbursed through reduced compensation shares for a period of time.
Utah has had good recent success and is a decent addition. You’ll get the Holy War Rivalry. Rumble in the Rockies. Rivalry games attract eyeballs because the fans and players are energized. I would take them. Utah will never be invited to B1G. Lucky to get Big 12. Their arrogance will be their demise as they go back to where they came from. Mountain West may be their destiny.
