I don’t find anything compelling about Utah other than when they play BYU
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Realignment Megathread (All The Moves)
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Zero bearing. Just see people arguing both ways saying money doesn’t really matter anymore but then a couple pages later saying the top teams will blow up all the stability for more money. I mean it’s a message board so I’m probably expecting to much lol
HoopsTournament
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1. I don’t think OR or WA are joining Big 12, but I would not give it zero chance. I actually think it is higher than ASU or Utah at this point because the Big 12 doesn’t need ASU or Utah and they don’t add value.Wilner mailbag today:
- Gives basically zero chance of OR or WA joining the Big12.
- Admits Yormark outmaneuvered Kliavkoff all the way.
- Says Arizona could easily jump and maybe the entire 4 corners.
- Says Stanford and Cal are rudderless with change in leadership, but thinks they could both land Big10.
- SD St > Colorado
- Says PAC should expand with at least 3 now, but is expecting disappointment.
- Hasn't been misled by his sources.
- It's all Larry Scott's fault.
Mailbag: Next steps for Oregon and UW, the Bay Area void, Arizona’s role, the $40 million question, expansion options and more
Where will the Pacific Northwest powers land as the Pac-12 fights for survival following the third departure in the past 13 months.www.mercurynews.com
2. Absolutely agree that BY outmaneuvered GK and will continue to do so.
3. I think Arizona is coming, but not sure when, but don’t think other two are.
4. Agree on the rudderless comment, but don’t think that they add incremental value to Big 10 TV contract.
5. San Diego State is only better in on field performance, but Colorado has more fan support and is a higher value school where it matters - to the networks.
6. Agree PAC should expand and agree it will be disappointing.
7. He may not have been misled, but he and/or them have been delusional.
8. LS has some blame, but GK has to take blame as well. Look what Yormark has done as a new leader. You can’t blame the previous leader if you have not righted the ship. The is what he was hired to do.
With the media deal & GOR expiring and no replacement, the PAC schools are all free agents. Unless there are rules / fees in the conference bylaws, schools are free to leave after they expire with no penalty or notice window requires.
HoopsTournament
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They need the bottom feeders to continue to remain upper schools. They don’t want every game to be against the top teams. They are smart enough to understand that.
Possibly. But it is also easy to see a scenario that an Alabama and other top FB schools leave their conferences to cut a mega, mega media deal. Who would they play for wins if not Vanderbilt and the other bottom feeders? They would still play all of those teams that they wanted. Just pay them $ millions to come and be fodder for a game. Works out way better for Alabama to pay Vanderbilt a big payday to show up occasionally rather than letting Vanderbilt have an equal share of conference revenues every year.
Alabama has no problem scheduling four cupcakes this year and that would not change in the future if they leave Vandy and the others to fend for themselves. Vandy just becomes another cupcake paid on a per appearance basis.
Its their viewership and fan support that gives them value. I dont love Utah either, and is probably last of the 3corners and UW/UO for wanted adds. But their viewership and fans support which is near the top of the Pac10, that gives them value, not to mention their recent success in FB.
I spent the afternoon on the PAC forums. Thought I'd check in on UCONN. They're still as lukewarm on us as we are on them. It's about half in favor of the Big 12. Many are hanging onto ACC Phillips' comments that they are looking into expansion as their opening for the ACC. The other half seems hell-bent on getting that ever-elusive ACC invite even if that conference could be dying in 10 years. Those in favor of the ACC seem to be the same fans that prefer staying in the Big East with no football rather than joining the Big 12.
I have flip flopped on this but I think, as of now, we take the 3-4 corners and no to WAOR. WAOR won't be all in. Plus, Yormark will have more pet projects, and I can see WAOR saying they they are dumb and aren't going along with it. The Pac with WAOR backfilled with lower end G5 schools will be severely weakened.
A concern would be if the 4 corners will want to jump back to the Pac the next contract.
A concern would be if the 4 corners will want to jump back to the Pac the next contract.
Take Arizona and stay there if Washington and Oregon aren’t coming. 14 is a good number and gives us opportunities for more growth. No real reason to lock in ASU and Utah. That said I’m ok if that’s the route we go.
Love it. I’m having a super chill day. Lounging in a hammock, full bag of home made Chex mix, Nalgene full of lemonade, and 20mg deep. absolutely perfect weather in the mitten today.
I don’t know why everyone is thinking WA or OU have any kind of leverage to dictate anything to anyone at this point just because they are OU and WA.
You’re one of those nut-cup fans, aren’t you? Oregon loves gimmIcks, or forward thinking marketing in the more polite term.
I‘m just at the point where I don’t see any monetary reason they would stay in the PAC. They can’t get a deal done as it is, and the hits keep coming. There is nothing there. No one is going back to the PAC after this.
if they do they better have an ironclad deal with the Big 10 in the world or people will flip their ****.
