I kind of see it both ways with Utah. They are definitely snobbish and crap all over the B12 as much as possible, but you've got to give it to them that they are damn loyal to their conference. I think if they came to the B12 there would definitely be some lumps and an adjustment period for a couple years, but I could see them becoming loyal B12 members. It doesn't seem like they turn up their noses at other PAC members, at least from what I have seen.
Realignment Megathread (All The Moves)
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This is so awesome, as their fanbase is borderline arrogant and obnoxious.. The Pac 12 was laughing at the Big 12 in 2010, as we were supposedly going to 'implode'. I'd still welcome Utah into the Big 12.. A great fit w/ BYU, Colorado, and eventually an Arizona school
I liken Utah a lot to WVU. Proud of their school and definitely supportive. I think their problem is BYU is already a member of the Big 12. Two rivals in separate conferences is like ISU and EIU. Quite different when you have to live with each other. Think BYU fans have been insufferable towards them also. Guess we may yet find out who they are and what makes them passionate.
It's going to take a bit, but yeah, the things that made Colorado a perennial power are still there and some are available again.
Here's a quote form a PennState fan from the comments here,
"Full Disclosure, Penn State fan here and much respect for Utah. You have to move now. The problem is the money. In a few years there will be maybe50 viable teams in CFP football. If you don’t have the money to play in that league, no amount of fan support or coaching will bridge the gap. The PAC 12 (10-9-8) is not getting the deal done and they are not going to get the money necessary to keep teams in play. With no where else to go, then you better get in the Big 12 now. At least their Presidents and Commissioner understand the new landscape AND care about football. The majority of PAC 12 Universities and the Commissioner are not being realistic about what is facing them."
So it appears that in one future scenario, some B1G (and probably SEC as well) fans think it will cull down to about a top 50 team P1 conference. I suppose that is a possibility. They would have to break from whatever their existing conferences are, all at once though, basically, to do this. Yes?
I am not as well versed on realignment as many of you here, but more realistically I see (in the limited future that I can perceive) a P2 (B1G, SEC) and one P3 (Big 12?), then whatever is leftover from that, as the 'leftovers'. This scenario involves the ACC being ultimately absorbed by the top 3 conferences.
In this scenario, I would no longer be interested in college football unless these top 3 conferences totaled at least 70 teams, ISU being one of them.
Problem there is, the streamers want the good games to drive subscriptions, they don't want Rutgers vs Purdue.
Nebraska never made sense for either them or the Big 10 really. Now they just another mouth to feed.
Wilner mailbag today:
- Gives basically zero chance of OR or WA joining the Big12.
- Admits Yormark outmaneuvered Kliavkoff all the way.
- Says Arizona could easily jump and maybe the entire 4 corners.
- Says Stanford and Cal are rudderless with change in leadership, but thinks they could both land Big10.
- SD St > Colorado
- Says PAC should expand with at least 3 now, but is expecting disappointment.
- Hasn't been misled by his sources.
- It's all Larry Scott's fault.
Mailbag: Next steps for Oregon and UW, the Bay Area void, Arizona’s role, the $40 million question, expansion options and more
Where will the Pacific Northwest powers land as the Pac-12 fights for survival following the third departure in the past 13 months.www.mercurynews.com
Wow, Wilner really built a house-of-cards argument with that one that basically boiled down to, “I just don’t like the Big 12”.
I'm not so sure the B1G AD's would want to add OU/WA.
Look at Iowa... this might be their last year to ever make a B1G Championship ever again. Next year there will be no divisions, so Iowa will have to finish in the top 2 to make it in. Not very likely. You will have to finish ahead of tOSU, Michigan, PSU, USC, and UCLA (not to mention teams like Wisky, MSU, etc). You think teams like Iowa in the B1G want to also add Oregon and WA to that mix?
So the same could be said for an ISU in the Big 12, right? Yes, however, right now the Big 12 is still seeking for more stability and relevance... and Oregon and WA would give that to them for sure. That's why they would be interested in adding them.
Look at Iowa... this might be their last year to ever make a B1G Championship ever again. Next year there will be no divisions, so Iowa will have to finish in the top 2 to make it in. Not very likely. You will have to finish ahead of tOSU, Michigan, PSU, USC, and UCLA (not to mention teams like Wisky, MSU, etc). You think teams like Iowa in the B1G want to also add Oregon and WA to that mix?
So the same could be said for an ISU in the Big 12, right? Yes, however, right now the Big 12 is still seeking for more stability and relevance... and Oregon and WA would give that to them for sure. That's why they would be interested in adding them.
Hot take nobody has had in the last 30 years or so. Lol.
His post doesn’t really say that, he says 50 VIABLE teams. Not all in one conference just those with the resources and school backing to compete at the highest level. The thing is we are already there, people just like to blame the recent realignment and NIL for something that has always been the case.
Traveling to the west coast also makes for weird results. Most big ten teams don’t have great records playing away games out there. Once the playoff expands and losses become less important it won’t matter as much but it’s still a trap. To your point you could have a school like Iowa/wisky/sparty never actually play in the big ten championship game but get into the playoff every once in awhile.
My reasoning for wanting WA & OR if possible:
- Everyone in the B12 would take a B10 invite at the drop of a hat.
- There’s nothing anyone in the B12 (or PAC, or ACC) can do to make the B10 invite them.
- If WA & OR were in the B12, there would be nowhere else they could make more money unless they get a B10 invite (see #2).
- Without a better place to go, they couldn’t pull a Texas and threaten to bail if they don’t get special treatment. They have zero leverage.
- There’s no guarantee they get a B10 invite now, at the end of the new B12 deal, or after the next one.
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Good post. With Iowa's schedule this year, this may be the last chance they make the title game. With unbalanced scheduling there will always be a chance, but they can't use the west crutch to back door in anymore. I think Nebraska may get back to at least going to bowl games again soon also.
good times.
That’s something only failing conferences try
Still...and I'm not trying to push you away, but you speak from a position of strength, relatively. Similar to a group of soldiers who hold the high ground.
How will Clemson, Miami, FL State feel about things in a few more years of monetary inequity in the ACC? Will they be able to recruit and play at a high enough level to have any realistic shot at a Natty? How will OU & WA feel in a few years, if they decide to stay in the PAC (or MWC)?
From your POV, and you often are not fully aware of it, your team(s) have a distinct advantage from being in the B1G. You are more 'viable' because that is your home.
I've believed for a while that how the fans feel does offer clues.
Visiting Fan Forums after Colorado's decision:
Visiting Fan Forums after Colorado's decision:
- Arizona fans are ready for the Big 12.
- Utah fans have seemingly done a 180. Many claim it was always just their hate for BYU. They actually do like the idea of the Big 12. lol
- Arizona State fans preference would be to stick with the PAC9, but would hate to be left behind if Arizona goes. Most are fine with the Big 12 at this point.
- Oregon fans are still convinced B1G is calling, feel no rush to find safety. Some sound ok with a Big12 pitstop, but none seem interested long-term. If 4 corners left, many would rather stick with the other 5 schools and add a few MWC schools until the B1G comes calling.
- Washington fans are Oregon fans with no one wanting a pit stop. They're still bad-mouthing the Big 12 the way Utah fans were a week ago. Many think they could survive Indy until the B1G is ready. They hate Colorado and have never liked Arizona since they expanded the PAC8 years ago. Apparently, Zona St at least tried at football. lol
The ACC teams are stuck so it doesn’t matter what they think. Oregon and WA are also stuck and it doesn’t matter what they want. That’s the key point that many people miss. These teams can scream about wanting to get into the P2 or to make more money but they don’t have the power to make that happen. If the presidents in the big ten or the SEC commish don’t want them then their thoughts legit mean nothing. There are plenty of teams who are getting all the advantages of playing in the P2 and do nothing with it. Texas still makes more money than all but 3/4 teams and they haven’t done anything. But they have a history and an AD that wants to compete at the highest level so it makes them viable.