Realignment Megathread (All The Moves)

Meanwhile a similar thread on the Cal Forum site has 746 posts. You would think they would care more as their school is both at risk and cited as a potential Big 10 option to appease California law makers or academic snobs.

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It is not necessarily good that we are THAT active about another conference, but it does show the difference in engagement between fan bases. I did not do that much research on other forums, but my guess is other PAC schools are similar.
Cal is just like Northwestern...if major sports go away...meh, plenty of other things to do. Sure, you will have a few, very vocal fans that argue for the sports-$ connection, but mass crowds with pitchforks and torches...nope.
 
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Cal is just like Northwestern...if major sports go away...meh, plenty of other things to do. Sure, you will have a few, very vocal fans that argue for the sports-$ connection, but mass crowds with pitchforks and torches...nope.
And Cal has more football history than Iowa and Iowa State. I hate how we are down to three conferences ….. it was soooo much fun until 2012 or whatever…. I don’t blame institutions looking out for their best interest …. But this is killing off athletic histories.
 
I'm in for UCONN and Colorado. I know they both suck at football, but this has never really been about on-field performance anyway.

UCONN gives the conference a better E-W balance, Colorado should have never left anyway.
Every time I go back to UCONN being a good fit, it just comes back to football for me. Not only have they not had a lot of recent success, but their fanbase doesn’t care. They only averaged 22,095 fans per game last year, which was actually a 50% increase from the year before. Compare that to Arizona, who averaged 44,209 fans/game last year. They don’t have the national titles that UCONN basketball has, but they are consistently a top 10-15 basketball program year in and year out. They would bring the Pacific time zone, while we already have 3 schools in EST.

Other than the whole Yormark being a NYC guy and wanting to get into that market, I don’t see how adding UCONN helps the brand of the Big 12.
 
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Every time I go back to UCONN being a good fit, it just comes back to football for me. Not only have they not had a lot of recent success, but their fanbase doesn’t care. They only averaged 22,095 fans per game last year, which was actually a 50% increase from the year before. Compare that to Arizona, who averaged 44,209 fans/game last year. They don’t have the national titles that UCONN basketball has, but they are consistently a top 10-15 basketball program year in and year out. They would bring the Pacific time zone, while we already have 3 schools in EST.

Other than the whole Yormark being a NYC guy and wanting to get into that market, I don’t see how adding UCONN helps the brand of the Big 12.

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But they aren't "ifs" for Yormark.

He knows those answers and understands that any additional realignment can't be dilutive to the existing 12 schools.

In fact, I bet the number crunchers would add UConn with the idea that it's accretive to existing members. By 2026 the CFP will pay each P5 school $20M+. Give UConn $10M annually for a few years and give current Big12 schools each around $1M annually.
You may be right, but I think right now it’s smart to stay put and see what happens with the PAC 12 because GK is kicking the can down the road but this little game he’s playing will likely come to an end soon. It has to. It’s just a waiting game right now and I’d assume current PAC 12 members are doing their due diligence and trying to stay loyal, but that’s going to end once the deal comes back and it’s not close to what was promised.
 
Well that doesn’t sound good, does it? Apple wants no part in a tier 2 rights deal. And their members don’t want to be primarily streaming. Seems we have an impasse.
That's how I read that as well. It seems the PAC presidents will have to pick between streaming vs OTA.


As a fan, I'd actually love an MLS style package where I pay for 1 streaming service and get every single B12 game. But I totally get why the PAC needs to be OTA
 
That's how I read that as well. It seems the PAC presidents will have to pick between streaming vs OTA.


As a fan, I'd actually love an MLS style package where I pay for 1 streaming service and get every single B12 game. But I totally get why the PAC needs to be OTA

I agree. But it’s about the casual fans that they’re trying to reach.
 
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Well that doesn’t sound good, does it? Apple wants no part in a tier 2 rights deal. And their members don’t want to be primarily streaming. Seems we have an impasse.
I think even more damning, if you take the final quotes in the article at face value, is that Apple wants a product that they can market globally and try to create a huge demand for. That could have worked with NFL Sunday Ticket but Apple and the NFL had different views of how to run it.

NBA was mentioned in the article, and that could work because there is a global demand for it, but I don't know if the NBA would give total, or at minimum majority, control over to Apple for distribution.

Apple can make a go at their plan with MLS because they could buy 100% of the media and try to market it globally. Messi is now playing in the MLS. They have an agreement with La Liga for global matches. I wouldn't be shocked if there aren't more agreements coming.

I just don't see how the PAC 12 would fit into any of these ideas. It seems like it could be hard to market a regional college conference globally.
 
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That's how I read that as well. It seems the PAC presidents will have to pick between streaming vs OTA.


As a fan, I'd actually love an MLS style package where I pay for 1 streaming service and get every single B12 game. But I totally get why the PAC needs to be OTA
I may not be the majority, but I'd love a streaming package; if for no other reason than I can watch the game 'when' I want to. For West coast folks, this might really catch on. Especially, if they maintain the advertising in the replay. The downside is, I'm not nearly as interested watching a 'loss' vs a 'win' and, accordingly, would skip it. So, there's that side of their viewership they'd have to calculate for. I could envision the advertising not only being personalized, but also products 'discounted' on an individual basis so they can compute the return more definitively compared to blanket advertising. Even stadium billboard advertising could be customized to the individual. Expect more 'green' space to superimpose this more creative advertising.
 
I think even more damning, if you take the final quotes in the article at face value, is that Apple wants a product that they can market globally and try to create a huge demand for. That could have worked with NFL Sunday Ticket but Apple and the NFL had different views of how to run it.

NBA was mentioned in the article, and that could work because there is a global demand for it, but I don't know if the NBA would give total, or at minimum majority, control over to Apple for distribution.

Apple can make a go at their plan with MLS because they could buy 100% of the media and try to market it globally. Messi is now playing in the MLS. They have an agreement with La Liga for global matches. I wouldn't be shocked if there aren't more agreements coming.

I just don't see how the PAC 12 would fit into any of these ideas. It seems like it could be hard to market a regional college conference globally.
But, ironically, considering BY's recent interview, when the basketball contract separates from football, expect Apple to be a major player.
 
I may not be the majority, but I'd love a streaming package; if for no other reason than I can watch the game 'when' I want to. For West coast folks, this might really catch on. Especially, if they maintain the advertising in the replay. The downside is, I'm not nearly as interested watching a 'loss' vs a 'win' and, accordingly, would skip it. So, there's that side of their viewership they'd have to calculate for. I could envision the advertising not only being personalized, but also products 'discounted' on an individual basis so they can compute the return more definitively compared to blanket advertising. Even stadium billboard advertising could be customized to the individual. Expect more 'green' space to superimpose this more creative advertising.
I watch a lot of hockey. They've taken to virtual ads along the boards. Sometimes it flickers and you can see the actual ads that the people in the arena can actually see. Pretty interesting.
 
But, ironically, considering BY's recent interview, when the basketball contract separates from football, expect Apple to be a major player.
Maybe they will be. If you separate basketball out from football, maybe there is enough global demand to meet what the article says is Apple's plans for going all in on sports. I'm not sure about that.

And maybe Apple will decided to go in two directions, one globally with professional sports and one more regionally with college sports...?
 
Look at the quote near the bottom of the article when the apple exec is asked about the PAC12
Flugaur mentioned that in his vlog this morning and possible conflict between Apple wanting the Pac10's best games vs. AD's & Coaches still wanting highest visibility for best teams/games.

He also updated his PATC Theatre realignment analogy this AM. He spoke about Brett Yormark is again meeting with basketball only schools like Gonzaga & UConn. He didn't discount UConn as an all-sport add, but focus now on hoops.

His take was Colorado is still very much in play for Big12, but Yormark has given CU all the info it needs to jump. The ball is now in CU's court.

Fluguar also didn't think CU would make a decision this week because Big10 & ACC have their media days. CU & Big12 would want full media attention when an announcement is made.
 
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Apple can make a go at their plan with MLS because they could buy 100% of the media and try to market it globally. Messi is now playing in the MLS. They have an agreement with La Liga for global matches. I wouldn't be shocked if there aren't more agreements coming.
Are there any estimates to what ratings were for Messi's MLS debut? Also, are there any numbers on AppleTVs Friday night MLB games? I would guess those viewership figure are well above what viewership would be for PAC12 games.

AppleTV paid $2.5 billion to broadcast MLS games for 10 years. That's $250 million per season and there are 29 MLS clubs.
 
Flugaur mentioned that in his vlog this morning and possible conflict between Apple wanting the Pac10's best games vs. AD's & Coaches still wanting highest visibility for best teams/games.

He also updated his PATC Theatre realignment analogy this AM. He spoke about Brett Yormark is again meeting with basketball only schools like Gonzaga & UConn. He didn't discount UConn as an all-sport add, but focus now on hoops.

His take was Colorado is still very much in play for Big12, but Yormark has given CU all the info it needs to jump. The ball is now in CU's court.

Fluguar also didn't think CU would make a decision this week because Big10 & ACC have their media days. CU & Big12 would want full media attention when an announcement is made.
Why are you listening to someone that is wrong 99% of the time?
 

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