I think there’s probably an 80-90% chance the PAC stays together with their current makeup.
Realignment Megathread (All The Moves)
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Yea no reason to add low media value teams. At some point, when the Big10/SEC add more teams, then valuable PAC/Big12 and ACC create a 3rd conference.
The Big12 Pac ACC will be 20-24 teams, just a matter of timing of expansion: 2023, 2030 and/or 2036.
Yeah, i've said for awhile I think that right now a lot of the people in the PAC are still somewhat living in denial. They'll probably sign a short term deal, and after 4-5 years of falling further behind with terrible exposure, top options will be eager for an exit.
The best move, if we can't get any P5 options to jump now, is simply to wait. Hell, the options might be larger then. If the PAC isn't viable and the magical big 10 invite for UO\UW never comes, even they might be possible joiners
Although I am tending to agree that the PAC swallows a crap sandwich to stay together for a short time, two issues may still come into play:
(A) Even though there were stories out that the schools agreed to a GOR (in principle), are any details out regarding unequal revenue sharing? Like the ACC, I think once you open the door to unequal revenue sharing, it is only a matter of time before it falls apart.
(B) Hard for me to believe that USC/UCLA did not have a “gentleman’s understanding” that other schools (WA/OR) would be coming to the B1G. Despite the big kick up in revenues, I think USC/UCLA will start squawking quickly about travel costs, particularly non-revenue sports if they are islanded for years.
We should play the long game and do not make quick moves like adding G5 Memphis. That play will always be there.
How in the hell does Rutgers lose that much money?Not sure this belongs here but
Texas, OU Among Highest Revenue Earning Athletic Dept. in 2022
USA Today recently released the total revenue figures for FBS schools, and two current Big 12 athletic departments cracked the top ten for highest revenue earnings in 2022. According to the database, Texas was the second-highest revenue-earning athletic department in the country with...www.heartlandcollegesports.com
ISU at 39/4 nationally/B12.
Eh, while the big 10 is certainly farther, I wouldnt exactly call Oregon and Washington close to USC\UCLA either
Just a special board meeting. Don’t know much looks like agenda might be out for it on their website so probably nothing
I think the way the Pac12 GOR agreement was described as "verbal". So that could mean very little. Something like GK saying to Presidents/AD's in a meeting "If the Pac12 gets a deal similar to Big12's, would your school renew its GOR?" I am sure they would all respond "Yea, Sure". Otherwise they might as well stop negotiating.
As you mention, there probably isn't much meat on the verbal GOR Agreement. Streaming vs. Linear, TV time slots, # prime games per school, unequal revenue sharing, etc.
That said, with the 12 team playoff, IMO the sell for unequal revenue sharing is an easier sell to schools. Especially if it is merit based AND schools feel it's a band-aid until the conference falls apart when the Big10 and/or SEC raid the Pac. The Pac playoff money will go from something like: $6.5M in 2023 to $12M in 2024 & 2025 to $22M from 2026+. So just skim a few million off the top per school and put into a performance slush fund. Also add SDSU and SMU and instead of giving them the full $22M, just give them $10-$15M and the balance in the performance slush fund. That $30M-$40M slush fund could make it easier for schools to stay put.
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One of these days it'll happen.
Like that episode of House MD where it actually was lupus
It’s hard to say if the PAC stays together or not. The longer this goes on the more likely A jump is. Obviously they have to stay they are staying in the PAC. OuuT and USC/LA said the same thing until the official move. The difference is the others were under the radar and this one, well isn’t. They had back room negotiations for about a year(if not more) before it became public.
Money was the reason that both Rutgers and Maryland left their conferences, both were swimming in debt, the universities were pumping 10's of millions into the programs. Neither school is receiving a full share of the B10 TV rights, and both borrowed against their future share to help pay down the debt. So, it's going to be a number of years before either school gets their full share of the B10 contract.
Agreed. The Big 12 unequal revenue was appearances on tv, then 3rd tier rights. The performance based like what the ACC is going to do doesn't seem awful.
Maybe this has been hashed out already, but unequal revenue sharing by any conference, IMO, will set a precedence for the same thing to happen in the SEC and B1G.
KidSilverhair
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But … the idea going from “we want to join this conference because it’s successful and we’ll make a lot more money from their playoff appearances” to “actually, the money from playoff appearances is going just to those schools who made the playoff, it’s only fair” isn’t exactly a long-term team-building exercise. It’s never a good idea to pit conference members against each other financially.
To me it sounds it’s like the first step towards booting out the lower-performing schools to create a super conference of blue bloods earning unimaginable amounts of TV money (and probably requiring viewers to pay an annual $350 subscription to the SuperSEC Channel) - the bottom half of which will be astonished to discover they’re now the ones finishing under .500, since somebody has to lose each game.