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Realignment Megathread (All The Moves)

Nolaeer said:
All that said, i think WVU wants uconn so they can have that eastern pod of 4.
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That they will still fly all sports to each of the teams in the pod anyway. (UConn is over 8.5 hours from Morgantown by road)

Tell me how a flight to Phoenix is significantly more than a flight to Lubbock. I would really like to know what teams in the Big 12 today that WVU does not fly to for most, if not all sports as it is today, Olympic sports or not.

So tell me how adding any teams is a drastic change in costs.

WVU is not driving to anyone in the current Big 12, and might possibly drive a few sports to Cinci in the new Big 12. But saying flying to Boulder is somehow drastically more expensive or even drastically longer time, than Manhattan or Ames is ridiculous. Even if we added Washington or Oregon, the cost or time in the air is not that major of a change from anywhere else in the Big 12.

I would get this if you could prove that WVU is bussing their Olympic sports anywhere as it is in the Big 12, that somehow adding more teams that require flights matters, now or with the future teams. Tell me they are running a bus 14 hours to Orlando, or Ames or the 23 hours to Lubbock. Then we can talk about the drastic change it would be to add Boulder or Tucson. You are just swapping a flight for one Big 12 school to other Big 12 schools.

12 games with required flights is still 12 games with required flights. The destination really doesnt matter that much overall.

The difference in flights from Morgantown to Dallas (2.5hrs) vs Tucson (4hrs) is a whole 1.5 hours, and the difference in cost is negligible. Hell a flight all the way to Seattle from Morgantown is only 4hrs 50 mins. (to Ames its 2hrs for reference.)
 
WVU to isu is 700 miles. the texas teams are only 435 miles from the mexico site.

i cant really debate why a 12 hour flight with connections that gets players home at 3am is worse than a 2-hour direct flight that gets them home at 8 pm but all of WVU coaches say the travel is hard on the players.

that said, WVU knew the travel would be hard when it joined, and the new AD, who is from texas, said the big 12 is a perfect cultural fit for wvu, whereas the wine and cheese ACC is not. WVU is very happy in big 12. All the new ad wants is pods if more teams are added. pods.
 
2speedy1 said:
That they will still fly all sports to each of the teams in the pod anyway. (UConn is over 8.5 hours from Morgantown by road)

Tell me how a flight to Phoenix is significantly more than a flight to Lubbock. I would really like to know what teams in the Big 12 today that WVU does not fly to for most, if not all sports as it is today, Olympic sports or not.

So tell me how adding any teams is a drastic change in costs.

WVU is not driving to anyone in the current Big 12, and might possibly drive a few sports to Cinci in the new Big 12. But saying flying to Boulder is somehow drastically more expensive or even drastically longer time, than Manhattan or Ames is ridiculous. Even if we added Washington or Oregon, the cost or time in the air is not that major of a change from anywhere else in the Big 12.

I would get this if you could prove that WVU is bussing their Olympic sports anywhere as it is in the Big 12, that somehow adding more teams that require flights matters, now or with the future teams. Tell me they are running a bus 14 hours to Orlando, or Ames or the 23 hours to Lubbock. Then we can talk about the drastic change it would be to add Boulder or Tucson. You are just swapping a flight for one Big 12 school to other Big 12 schools.

12 games with required flights is still 12 games with required flights. The destination really doesnt matter that much overall.

The difference in flights from Morgantown to Dallas (2.5hrs) vs Tucson (4hrs) is a whole 1.5 hours, and the difference in cost is negligible. Hell a flight all the way to Seattle from Morgantown is only 4hrs 50 mins. (to Ames its 2hrs for reference.)
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If I recall correctly, the WVU AD commented earlier this spring that their travel costs were $2M more than any other Big12 school.

Not a crazy $ amount when you consider their overall budget. But I'm sure their AD looks at the $2M as a hurdle. $2M not available to pay a coach or invest in facilities, etc.

But WVU's AD has to know that in 2023 the Pac is in play. And if it doesn't happen now, realignment is quiet until 2030. The ACC teams may be in play, but good odds that isn't until 2030+.

Plus if the Big12 grows to 14 or 16 teams, the WVU AD has to know they will make at most 1 or 2 (depending on sport) road trips west of the current Big12 footprint. WVU will likely be travel cost neutral with the Cincy & UCF adds.
 
isucy86 said:
If I recall correctly, the WVU AD commented earlier this spring that their travel costs were $2M more than any other Big12 school.

Not a crazy $ amount when you consider their overall budget. But I'm sure their AD looks at the $2M as a hurdle. $2M not available to pay a coach or invest in facilities, etc.

But WVU's AD has to know that in 2023 the Pac is in play. And if it doesn't happen now, realignment is quiet until 2030. The ACC teams may be in play, but good odds that isn't until 2030+.

Plus if the Big12 grows to 14 or 16 teams, the WVU AD has to know they will make at most 1 or 2 (depending on sport) road trips west of the current Big12 footprint. WVU will likely be travel cost neutral with the Cincy & UCF adds.
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Is that extra cost really from the distance, or from the lack of a major hub near their campus?
 
RonBurgundy said:
I agree with your take. The longer this drags on, the more I feel like the Pac will stay together around some smoke-and-mirrors deal that will let them try and claim they are equivalent to the Big 12. It would take a team of forensic accountants to find all the lies while their talking shills routinely spin it as victory.
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Meanwhile their athletic departments can continue to run in the red and be propped up by their state governments.
 
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O report on MSN had an article about reorganization, 20 team regionals with 4 regions. Interesting article but won't ever happen, 12 Big teams, ISU KSU KU and Mizzou, Notre Dame, and 3 other regional G5 teams. Money $ay$ no.
 
Starting to see more PAC guys putting out 06/30 is just an “arbitrary” date and the additional $17M that SDSU would have to pay is inconsequential. They also point out the b1g got their deal done with only 11 months left on the current contract.
 
dafarmer said:
O report on MSN had an article about reorganization, 20 team regionals with 4 regions. Interesting article but won't ever happen, 12 Big teams, ISU KSU KU and Mizzou, Notre Dame, and 3 other regional G5 teams. Money $ay$ no.
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If something like this ever happens, I think it would be less than 80 teams. Good old fashioned greed for one reason.
 
exCyDing said:
I don’t really take the “we’re staying” comments at face value. All 4 corners would stay in the PAC 100% all things being equal. The question is, how much are they willing to pass up to stay? $5M? $10M?

I think AZ’s administration is being more realistic. It seems they know PAC’s deal is going to fall short of where they’ve decided they need to be to stay. Ditto with CO. ASU and Utah’s admins might see AZ and CO’s position and know they’re going to pull the plug first. Backfilling with SDSU/UNLV/Boise St and others is not going to make the PAC’s offers get any better. That’s when they pull the plug.

Side note, SDSU is not additive to a conference that wants to be considered a P3/4/5 conference. They’re backfill for the PAC when/if they go below 10 members.
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I’m dead serious that my sdsu alum friends here in LA wouldn’t have known about their Final Four had I not told them. It’s an entirely different thing than Midwest and even mountain regions.
 
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Acylum said:
Starting to see more PAC guys putting out 06/30 is just an “arbitrary” date and the additional $17M that SDSU would have to pay is inconsequential. They also point out the b1g got their deal done with only 11 months left on the current contract.
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While it is possible the Pac12 could grind out a deal, it happen in August and the Pac survives another 6 years. IMO the timing comparison isn't valid. At one point Warren mentioned the Big10 anticipated a deal by Memorial Day 2022.

We we all know why it didn't happen- they were in negotiations with USC and UCLA. Then once that was public on June 30, 2022, the talk was 4 more Pac12 schools were next: Oregon, Washington, Cal & Stanford. We know there were meetings with Oregon & Washington, so it's understandable the Big10 didn't announce their deal til mid August. They were still considering realignment and had to get 3 networks on all the same page on tier rights. The Big10 had media companies begging to part of the deal. Not sure the Pac12 has networks lined up outside their offices, so any Pac10 deal will have compromises.

I agree the June 30 date for SDSU is arbitrary as long as the current Pac 10 schools remain. The Big12 made due with a 10 team conference for close to a decade. Also, it doesn't seem like the biggest loss if SDSU/SMU wait a year and join in 2025.

I'm sure the 4 corner schools all have dates they can wait til seeing a Pac12 deal, I doubt any are in August.
 
2speedy1 said:
That they will still fly all sports to each of the teams in the pod anyway. (UConn is over 8.5 hours from Morgantown by road)

Tell me how a flight to Phoenix is significantly more than a flight to Lubbock. I would really like to know what teams in the Big 12 today that WVU does not fly to for most, if not all sports as it is today, Olympic sports or not.

So tell me how adding any teams is a drastic change in costs.

WVU is not driving to anyone in the current Big 12, and might possibly drive a few sports to Cinci in the new Big 12. But saying flying to Boulder is somehow drastically more expensive or even drastically longer time, than Manhattan or Ames is ridiculous. Even if we added Washington or Oregon, the cost or time in the air is not that major of a change from anywhere else in the Big 12.

I would get this if you could prove that WVU is bussing their Olympic sports anywhere as it is in the Big 12, that somehow adding more teams that require flights matters, now or with the future teams. Tell me they are running a bus 14 hours to Orlando, or Ames or the 23 hours to Lubbock. Then we can talk about the drastic change it would be to add Boulder or Tucson. You are just swapping a flight for one Big 12 school to other Big 12 schools.

12 games with required flights is still 12 games with required flights. The destination really doesnt matter that much overall.

The difference in flights from Morgantown to Dallas (2.5hrs) vs Tucson (4hrs) is a whole 1.5 hours, and the difference in cost is negligible. Hell a flight all the way to Seattle from Morgantown is only 4hrs 50 mins. (to Ames its 2hrs for reference.)
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Yes, a flight is more expensive if it is longer. Is it a 1:1 ratio cost to distance? No. But a longer flight DOES cost more. Additionally, you can't take a KingAir from Morgantown to Tucson without stopping (maybe twice). Now you are taking a jet, which DOES cost more per mile than a turboprop, as well as more miles. We have many customers who operate charter and corporate flight ops, so I do have some knowledge about the industry.

If you want to talk commercial, and you are looking at the longer flight at $600 vs a shorter one at $500 and saying "insignificant" because it's $100... well, its still 20% more. Multiply that by all the trips, and teams, and athletes and coaches. Worse in my opinion is the burden on the athletes and coaches. A 4.5 hour flight means you are almost certainly having one night away from home, and maybe 2. And security, connections, delays, et al that comes with the airport experience.

Its not the apocalypse, but to say its insignificant is wrong. Even if it is say $7M travel costs vs $6M... that's a $1M you can't put into facilities, coaches, recruiting budget, et al. That last marginal dollar matters.

I don't disagree that WV will have to suck it up and deal with it, but i don't blame them 1 bit for wanting to add more east teams to reduce their travel costs.
 
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