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Not much to complain about here...they're one I follow on a regular basis.
They seem to like the Big Ten more than many. I wouldn't have those teams as high as they have here. But they also don't seem to love Iowa...being a 9.
They seem to like the Big Ten more than many. I wouldn't have those teams as high as they have here. But they also don't seem to love Iowa...being a 9.
Valid assessment, and the bracket looks realistic.
Hard to believe A&M was bubble territory only like 2 weeks ago and already has risen to single-digit. (Obviously, that's why they play the games).
Re: your bracket -- I wouldn't complain if ISU stays on 4 line, but I'd be a little nervous with the draw -- Xavier would be a challenge, but also VCU and Charleston being much closer to Orlando and frankly I'd hope not to have to face Charleston ... either as potential second round or if happen to drop to 5 line ... I won't complain if we end up as a 5, but it's more likely to get paired w/ either Charleston or Oral Roberts, both I think would be "dangerous" for the 12-5 upset.
Realm of possibility with his bracket, Drake might knock off SMC in the 5v12.
The last 4 seed entering tonight. More accurate to say Iowa State is predominantly a 5 seed in brackets released since Saturday's bad loss though. Really need a win tonight for many reasons.
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This is from Joey Brackets after yesterday’s games. Is there any chance this was a joke? I don’t understand how he can have Penn State and Wisconsin in the tourney with Net rankings of 57 and 78 and OK State out with a Net ranking of 43. ESPN should have walked him out as soon as he submitted this article late last night. Maybe one of you guys who really follows this stuff can explain what I’m missing.
It's not just him. OkSt is only in on 6 of the 62 brackets on Bracket Matrix. Although not all of them are updated since their win yesterday.
Compared to Wisconsin, who was in 54 brackets and Penn St 16.
PSU and WI get the "east of the Mississippi" multiplier to their rankings. They MUST be better/more deserving then the teams out in the plains. Jimlad . . . eye roll.
The only thing I can possibly think of is a better winning % against quad 1 and quad 2.
Specific to Oklahoma State vs. Wisconsin, the pure NET number difference is vast, so it seems like it shouldn't be close. But if we compare the full profile (using team sheets, and not focusing strictly on Quad results) the gap is narrower.
I won't try to argue in favor of one over the other, only demonstrating how the two might be in proximity.
Also keep in mind (using Lunardi's listing) UW & OSU are separated by only 4 slots, that's close to toss-up territory.
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It's not just the NET you should look at. You've got to look at NET, record versus Q1+Q2 (Wisconsin 11-12, Oklahoma State 9-13), top of the line Q1A wins (Wisconsin 2-5 record, Oklahoma State 1-10), and their KPI-SOR metrics, which measure their overall resumes (Wisconsin 47/48 KPI/SOR, Oklahoma State 52/42). Their resumes are closer than just the NET. Wisconsin's predictive metrics like Kenpom and BPI is what makes their resume look awful (NET often aligns fairly closely with Kenpom).
Essentially, it's a question of how good is the team versus how good is the resume? Wisconsin as a team is pretty lackluster, but they've over-performed so their resume looks better than you'd expect.
Thanks, good info. This is why I don’t follow the metrics very closely. It hurts my head.
Comfortably a 5 seed if you throw out the dufass Jerry Palm (ranked #125/148)
At worst, we are a 6 seed with a loss to Baylor..
Team's we are competing against for the 5-6 seed line
Indiana,Virginia, TCU, Miami, St Mary's, Michigan St, San Diego St, Creighton, Duke, Kentucky, and Texas A&M..
If you want a list of team to cheer against in their conference tournaments.
However, we have more Q1 wins (9) than ALL of those teams as of 3/8/2023 and more Q1a wins (5) than all. Kentucky, Michigan St, and TCU have more Q1+Q2 wins. However, Kentucky has two Q3 losses and a Q4 loss.. Michigan St has a Q3 loss while we have no losses outside of Q2
Indiana,Virginia, TCU, Miami, St Mary's, Michigan St, San Diego St, Creighton, Duke, Kentucky, and Texas A&M..
If you want a list of team to cheer against in their conference tournaments.
However, we have more Q1 wins (9) than ALL of those teams as of 3/8/2023 and more Q1a wins (5) than all. Kentucky, Michigan St, and TCU have more Q1+Q2 wins. However, Kentucky has two Q3 losses and a Q4 loss.. Michigan St has a Q3 loss while we have no losses outside of Q2
St Mary's didn't do themselves any favors last night
Im with you. I think ISU could fall to a 6 with a loss tomorrow. Win and they are a lock for a 5.
If you can beat Baylor, and then KU Friday night you're up in the 4 seed range. Win the whole thing and you might be looking at a 3, depending on the path.
St Mary's just had their manhoods stolen last night. Michigan State and Kentucky aren't impressive, and I'm hoping we see Virginia in our bracket.
Nah but I think they were alot like us-
losing to Gonzaga in the final isn't going to hurt them.. really at all.
I get their resume isn't what our is but that individual loss last night shouldn't hurt them.