Canzano writes another makebelieve piece about the PAC 12 being in a great spot and Scheer craps all over it. Pretty much a weekly occurrence. And it never isn’t funny.
Realignment Megathread (All The Moves)
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Really 3 times if you include 2010, 2011, and 2021. ESPN tried to FOMO Big 12 teams to the American.
Very fair point but with the expanded playoff you can’t really do a mini 4 team tournament so it’s the best option.
Pitt is one of the best realistic possibilities for future Big 12 and a reason to not go overboard with adding Pac teams unless they truly grow the conference in meaningful ways.
- New high population state, new high population metro
- Big Ten likely not interested already having top brand in state
- I doubt SEC interested
- Solid history in both major sports
- Natural/historic/geographic rivals with WVU. Some history with Cincy.
- It's a pro sports town but at least it's a sports fan region. A few of the Pac leftovers are areas where nobody really cares about any sports on a per person average.
- NFL town but one of the biggest in USA with no NBA team...now they can have the premier basketball conference.
It's after Pitt looking at the likely SEC/Big Ten leftovers where it gets interesting trying to select the next handful over each other. Pitt is the likely ACC leftover where I see no real negatives or no real issue with fit.
Whether the CFP is either 12 or 16 teams there will basically be a guaranteed number of teams from respective conferences. I can’t remember if it was in this thread or Twitter but seedings would be determined by the committee’s CFP rankings. I really think CCGs are going the way of the dinosaur.
There were times it looked like OKSt and KU had lifeboats while ISU and KSU had none. Maybe throw in Baylor with us back when the Pac was toying with Tech tagging along with Texas and the OK schools.
WSU and Ore St are in worst position possible now but ISU/KSU have been exactly there.
I'd much rather see a bigger tournament, and having one less game allows for that in terms of wear and tear on the players.
I bet Oregon is "way on board" if they don't want to come to the Big 12 and they see the PAC 12 collapsing around them.
Just for fun, let's say his make believe piece:
They are adding SMU, SDSU, Colorado State and a fourth?
- they won't triple down on Colorado with Air Force
- Boise State? Seems it would have to be
ya and it sucks. I feel bad for them, this whole crap could have been stopped with a competent NCAA leader it could have been mitigated. But here we are.
They are but there is still going to be a conference champion and that is proven by the ccg these days. There has been zero talk of them going away
Not gonna lie it's pretty funny watching how this has turned into a trollfest between beat writers, with Scheer pretty much annihilating Canzano at every turn.
hmm, let me try again.
Sure, this can be true.
ESPN has the SEC now, and Fox has the B10, but the B10, SEC and B12 all go back to market well ahead of the ACC. That's an incentive to sit on the ACC until those deals shake out, or move ACC teams as part of those deals to ensure they end up in a conference ESPN owns.
Where are you getting that $20m figure? ESPN has 1/3rd of the B12 deal, so ~$10m/year/school. That'd be ~$80m by my math. Fox has the other 2/3rds, but no automatic escalator clause, so they'd have to be on board with putting up another ~$160m per year to the B12 to keep things equal, otherwise the B12's probably not on board.
Would FSU, Clemson and others with B10/SEC hopes go along with this to begin with? Seems questionable.
I thought ESPN was doing all this so they don't lose ACC brands, but now they're giving 2/3rds of those rights away to Fox? That seems like the opposite of the goal.
Sure, operation efficiencies could offset some of the expenditures, as could increased values. It's helps, but we're digging a pretty big hole. I'm sure the SEC and B10 would love to divvy up the ACC's cut of the CFP money, but that doesn't help ESPN any.
Wait, now we're adding some schools to the SEC instead of all 8 of them going to the B12? That makes more sense, but now we're back to another issue: putting 4 in the B12 would run about $40m per year, and 4 to the SEC would be $204m. Even a 6 to the B12 and 2 to the SEC would total $162m. The current price tag for those 8 is still $136m a year in the ACC.
I'm not able to figure out how ESPN comes out ahead in this. And you haven't addressed the 6 left behind schools, who I guess just all were fine with walking away from a power conference membership and ~$17m+ a year between their ESPN deal and CFP money? Maybe you're hoping they're just nice and will go away if nobody wants them?
But that’s the problem with 20-24 teams. The games that consist of those matchups are huge for two reasons.
1. Almost always those teams are toward the top of their conferences, playing for SOMETHING. In a 24 team league now you have a lot of games where those teams will have losing records, playing for NOTHING. History tells us without exception of big name schools are having down years and playing meaningless games the viewership ranks.
2. Those games draw huge numbers because you’ve got fans of 40 other teams that are playing in the same league, some teams jockeying for rankings, playoff and bowl position. Take that away and how many tune out? I will. I watch other college football because I’m a fan of ISU. A lot of fans whose CFB fandom is invested in a team outside the 24 are going to largely tune out. How many and to what extent is the question.
Attendance and ratings suggest banking on growth in net CFB fandom is a terrible idea. So the question becomes how much do you lose due to the scenarios above.
The smart move is to keep the others around and invested. At a discount for the media partners, at a limited number of playoff spots for the SEC and Big 10. Blocking them out will crush the media value of the sport over time.
Yup. The networks love it that the conferences bargain individually rather than collectively as a group. The overall pot could be way greater with the leverage of the P5 leagues together. Now you get teams transferring from P5 to P5.
Ya it will eventually ruin CFB. But I will still watch. Its a shame every conference couldn't stay regional.
Even a smaller merger, like the original big 12 and the original pac 12 back in 2010, probably could have gone a long way. Having the rights to just about everything worthwhile west of the mississippi would have been a pretty valuable product. Merge the business entities to negotiate the overall media contract, operate them as if they are still separate conferences with some scheduling deals.
Alas greed came into play and options like that fell apart