So there may or may not be a screenshot floating around on Twitter that seems to be from a reputable source but it’s from behind a paywall site so I’m not going to link to it here.. I’ll just say it smells like smoke.
Realignment Megathread (All The Moves)
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I mean the B12’s contract/GOR basically held up or OuT would’ve been gone immediately. The only escape for the ACC elites is the 8 (?) team agreement clause I believe.
I think going from 18 games to 20 or even 22 in basketball is a good idea regardless of if we're at 12 or 16. There is a chance some of the new teams struggle a little in hoops and we get some relief in schedule difficulty. I think Arizona could come in and keep rolling, even Houston is going to have an eye opener. BYU, Cincy, ASU, Utah and Colorado will all hit a wall early on in basketball, UCF is jumping several levels.
The conference has had the hardest schedules in hoops for 10 years already and does fine in the tournament. For a while it hurt the league getting tournament bids but now everybody finally realizes it's a level above other leagues and the metrics the committee uses prove it.
I'd chose CU over BYU too, but either one is a trap road game for basketball. Those @CU basketball games were my least looked forward to.
In football CU is probably the most unknown team in the country right now. They could be dynamite with Sanders, Sanders could fail, Sanders could succeed wildly and bounce. Who knows.
BYU football finally in a major conference is probably going to be a typical top 25 team I have a feeling.
KidSilverhair
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I don’t like unbalanced schedules, but as conferences grow to 14/16/18/24/whatever it’s obviously impossible to stay balanced. So how do you figure out your CCG competitors?
Not too much of a fan myself, but I’ve heard talk that conferences are considering sending the two highest-ranked teams to the CCG. In a world with an expanded playoff and all the money that entails, I suppose that makes sense … the last thing a conference would want is seeing a highly ranked team lose the CCG to somebody sneaking in at 8-4 or something, taking the auto bid away and running the risk of your “better” team not getting an at-large. If you match up your two highest-ranked teams, the loser shouldn’t drop so far and keep your multiple-bid options open.
Did they also mention how its never been challenged in court? - Schools thought the same thing about the NCAA and their TV contracts until a few schools decided to challenge them on it.
As plenty of others have mentioned OUT couldn’t even get out of their GOR. I don’t get why we are even discussing it when it has been beaten to death. If schools could get out of it they would have.
Not a court case, but in a real world example we have UT with an army of lawyers and more money than God and they couldn't weasel out of a GOR a couple years early. My general logic on the topic is if Texas can't do it, nobody can.
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Right, but they can't vote if they have a conflict of interest. That means they need to vote before they find a landing spot. Even backchannel discussions with conferences or networks could open them up to a massive suite by any schools that are left out. That's a big risk to take with so many unknowns - how many do the B10/SEC/B12 even want to take, will the networks that don't have automatic escalators agree to pay for the new schools, will another set of schools randomly try to block adding someone? It's a big risk with a big downside and a lot of unknowns for an institution to take that kind of leap.
I don't think a 22 game round robin with the 12 we have two years from now is crazy. Some other major conferences play 20 already.
If we don't add Pac schools it should be looked at.
If we add 4 pac schools obviously a 30 game conference season would be a radical change to the sport unless the Big 12 wants to paint itself as some kind of breakaway higher tier of basketball where a team with 12 wins can be better than 60% of NCAA tournament teams.
For football even 12 means no balanced schedules and it is what it is. We should be wanting to play and beat the other major conferences in non conf as a means of deflating media narratives. We went against the grain going back to a round robin but that era is done now.
OUT at a maximum faced 3 years from when their plans were "leaked." - The ACC schools are facing 13 years. Not even close to the same situation in terms of risk / reward which is what you weigh on a court challenge.
Thus the ESPN effort to scare the Big12 into folding and running for the America, that was how they tried to get around the Big12 GoR. It might have worked, had the enticement not been the same as the worst-case scenario (man that was dumb).
I still think the ACC GoR is not invincible. I am not saying it is easy to break, or that it will break tomorrow, or schools can just walk away. But there is always a way around "invincible", especially when there are 9-figure sums of money to be had.
The Titanic, the Maginot Line, and the Molotov-Ribbentrop Pact all looked "invincible"... until they weren't.
What will never happen but needs to happen is get rid of the conf champ games. take top 2 from each power conference and a few wildcards. 12-16 team playoff.
It was settled. The ACC will also settle at some point. The only question is how early.
Think of it this way- settling over just a year worth of gain is far less likely than 13. There’s so much more benefits to exchange with 13 years of lost revenue. Plus ACC only has one buy side network and it’s the same network that owns a P2.
Deadlines make deals, but if Yormark was here since 2011, we would have settled far earlier if it was known OUT was out come end of GOR , like it seems FSU:Clemson sre
Ok man, I’m done trying to convince you on something everyone else’s already knows isn’t happening.
Gorm is kind of an idiot.
KidSilverhair
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That’s not a bad idea but you still have to figure out how to determine which teams are the top two.
And also conferences are still going to want to crown their champion every year, even if it’s without a CCG they’ll need some method.
Taking a "hard stance" on ANYTHING realignment related is a bold strategy...