Realignment Megathread (All The Moves)

[WhoISthis]

You could very well be right, I didn’t watch much of Nebraska when they were in the Big12. I do think that bad coaches like frost can put talented players in positions where they look worse than they are. During the RR/Brady hoke years at Michigan I saw this a lot.

Agree. There’s a difference between their recruiting dropping off and the talent being put on the field decreasing. Good coaching is needed to have a talented team no matter if recruiting maintained. They don’t have the coaching/development of the last century

Nebraska was in borrowed time as an elite program and declining from their peak even before conference change. BIG didn’t expedite that, but poor hires after Bo did. If anything, the extra revenue (ability to fire bad coaches) and BIG West weakness is the main reason why they may be able to recover

NU is a good fit for BIG, but perhaps had they known nearly any non-SEC school would be available in 10-15 years, they would have passed.

 

[2speedy1]

And that system was strap on the pads and kick the **** out of the other team

Great stuff when my local YMCA had a better weight room than ISU.

They also had a lot more..........ROIDS.

 

[2speedy1]

You could very well be right, I didn’t watch much of Nebraska when they were in the Big12. I do think that bad coaches like frost can put talented players in positions where they look worse than they are. During the RR/Brady hoke years at Michigan I saw this a lot.

You have to understand that the last few years in the B12 Nebraska was clearly already on the way down. You could see they were no longer the Program from the glory years. They could no longer dominate even the B12 North which was weak as hell.

They were still holding on being decent, but the signs were all there as to what was happening.

The talent level from the glory years was already down. Then when they moved to the B1G the wheels fell off. Poor decisions, new/different recruiting area, bad coaching etc just accelerated the downfall.

Nebraska was a powerhouse in the Big8/12 during the years of unlimited roster sizes, partial qualifiers and massive steroid use. They used all these tactics and then some to get ahead, it didnt matter what their recruiting ranking was, they got their guys in their farm system, roided them up and brought 200 kids to the scout team and picked up the ones that developed.

Trying to look at Nebby and say their entire failure was due to moving to the B1G, or trying to say the B1G is tougher just because of Nebbys struggles, will never be accurate, in either respect. There are just too many factors involved.

 

[AuH2O]

You have to understand that the last few years in the B12 Nebraska was clearly already on the way down. You could see they were no longer the Program from the glory years. They could no longer dominate even the B12 North which was weak as hell.

They were still holding on being decent, but the signs were all there as to what was happening.

The talent level from the glory years was already down. Then when they moved to the B1G the wheels fell off. Poor decisions, new/different recruiting area, bad coaching etc just accelerated the downfall.

Nebraska was a powerhouse in the Big8/12 during the years of unlimited roster sizes, partial qualifiers and massive steroid use. They used all these tactics and then some to get ahead, it didnt matter what their recruiting ranking was, they got their guys in their farm system, roided them up and brought 200 kids to the scout team and picked up the ones that developed.

Trying to look at Nebby and say their entire failure was due to moving to the B1G, or trying to say the B1G is tougher just because of Nebbys struggles, will never be accurate, in either respect. There are just too many factors involved.

That’s kind of the point, though that the idea of moving to the big 10 had anything to do with their decline. It didn’t, and frankly it’s a dumb argument.

Nebraska had two major declines in performance in their history. The first is as you state the changes that occurred during the late Big 8 early Big 12 days. The other reason to add to what you shared was the shift from only a handful of programs being on TV to everybody being on TV. That dropped them down a level. But Pelini got them back to a good performance after Callahan. But those changes knocked their talent down a big notch both in recruiting and player development.

The second dip was caused by years of mediocre and garbage coaching post-Pelini. Recruiting maintained at Pelini levels. But their teams sucked because their coaching sucked. Players are worse because of coaching. The raw product going into the program in terms of recruiting rankings has been pretty consistent for 15 years. It took a lot of sucking before it hurt recruiting.

Whether their talent on the field is actually worse due to lack of development or it just looks worse because of incompetence doesn’t matter. It’s all on coaching and doesn’t have a thing to do with switching conferences.

 

[SEIOWA CLONE]

Prop 48 and a few years later prop 42 was the factor that destroyed the Nebraska program, without the services of those players, getting them into school and on scholarship, they were fine. Once that was taken away under prop 42 their days were numbered as a powerhouse football program.
They believed that switching to the B10, along with getting away from Texas would extend that timeline, it just did not work out. Pelini, while a very good coach was a headcase, and the fanbase turned on him, the last two coaches have been diesters. But I do think they got it right this time, Rhule will have them winning at a high level, would have been greatly helped if they kept the current divisions.

 

[t-noah]

Keep posting it. I come here for unfounded rumors and speculation. Thats half the fun.

And I check in once in a blue moon, like now. Interesting speculation, for sure.

I'll keep waiting for the abridged version.

 

[HouClone]

They also had 2 coaches for long periods of time and the second ran a system identical to the first. So recruiting and processes didn’t change. CPR had the issue that he changed OCs so much and each wanted different systems and we would recruit different types every two years and the players and systems never matched.

Just like Jim Walden. I know this is off topic but still blows my mind why he continuously changed systems. Like CPR, he wanted to match to the conference system. I am happy on the system we run now but maybe with a little more firepower (take shots downfield).... anyways, back to the other discussion.

 

[cayin]

You have to understand that the last few years in the B12 Nebraska was clearly already on the way down. You could see they were no longer the Program from the glory years. They could no longer dominate even the B12 North which was weak as hell.

They were still holding on being decent, but the signs were all there as to what was happening.

The talent level from the glory years was already down. Then when they moved to the B1G the wheels fell off. Poor decisions, new/different recruiting area, bad coaching etc just accelerated the downfall.

Nebraska was a powerhouse in the Big8/12 during the years of unlimited roster sizes, partial qualifiers and massive steroid use. They used all these tactics and then some to get ahead, it didnt matter what their recruiting ranking was, they got their guys in their farm system, roided them up and brought 200 kids to the scout team and picked up the ones that developed.

Trying to look at Nebby and say their entire failure was due to moving to the B1G, or trying to say the B1G is tougher just because of Nebbys struggles, will never be accurate, in either respect. There are just too many factors involved.

they won the west division their first two years in the Big 10. Their last few years in the Big 12, they were routinely getting their @sses kicked. I remember when Mangino's team hung 76 points on them.

 

[Gonzo]

they won the west division their first two years in the Big 10. Their last few years in the Big 12, they were routinely getting their @sses kicked. I remember when Mangino's team hung 76 points on them.

Lol, no. They finished 3rd in the division their first year in the B1G, they won it their second year and that's been it. They went 6-2 in conference and won their division each of their last two years in the Big 12.

 

[Acylum]

Lol, no. They finished 3rd in the division their first year in the B1G, they won it their second year and that's been it. They went 6-2 in conference and won their division each of their last two years in the Big 12.

19-13 their last 4 seasons in the B12. 22-10 their first 4 in the b1g. Just for context of course.

 

[Gonzo]

19-13 their last 4 seasons in the B12. 22-10 their first 4 in the b1g. Just for context of course.

If you think I'm trying to argue that Nebby's nosedive as a program is because they joined the B1G, you've got the wrong guy. Sorry. Other poster just put up info that's not accurate.

 

[BCClone]

I wish the Longhorn Network was still going to be in the mix for the wHorns when they join the SEC. That would have been funny listening to the SEC people complain having to find a way to watch that crappy channel to see their team.

 

[keepngoal]

If you think I'm trying to argue that Nebby's nosedive as a program is because they joined the B1G, you've got the wrong guy. Sorry. Other poster just put up info that's not accurate.

What schools that have left the B12 have done better or are doing better

 

[SCNCY]

What schools that have left the B12 have done better or are doing better

Texas A&M has only 1 loosing season (this most recent season) in the SEC compared to 3 in the Big12, 4 if you include their 6-6 season. So they may have had a small amount of success. But you'd have to put an asterisk on it because they have been playing 4 non-conference games instead of 3 like everyone else; so one more cupcake on the schedule compared to everyone else.

 

[BCClone]

What schools that have left the B12 have done better or are doing better

Nebraska was in the Big ten CCG right after leaving, Mizzou was in the SEC championship CCG after leaving. Colorado was a mess, T A and M had Johnny football and had good seasons but couldn't make the CCG. They all are worse off now after several years in their new conferences than they were when they joined outside of Colorado.

 

[NWICY]

Well somehow 30 pages went by before I revisited this thread. I assume It is all speculation random stuff?

 

[Gonzo]

What schools that have left the B12 have done better or are doing better

No idea. A&M has been pretty good.

 

[20eyes]

No idea. A&M has been pretty good.

You have no idea about a team Iowa has a trophy game against?

 

[Gonzo]

You have no idea about a team Iowa has a trophy game against?

Well I know Nebby isn't doing better since leaving the Big 12, figured that was obvious. I don't follow PAC or SEC all that much to know how Colorado or Mizzou have been compared to how they were doing in the Big 12 before leaving. That was the question, whether any schools that have left the Big 12 have been or are doing better.

 

[CyCrazy]

Well I know Nebby isn't doing better since leaving the Big 12, figured that was obvious. I don't follow PAC or SEC all that much to know how Colorado or Mizzou have been compared to how they were doing in the Big 12 before leaving. That was the question, whether any schools that have left the Big 12 have been or are doing better.

Cu is a dumpster fire, Mizou has been okay